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Phoenix LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"

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Phoenix LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"

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Glendale City Council Meeting - Nov 13, 2012
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Taxpayer Ken Jones: This item as its been discussed, is going to layoff more city workers. We used to be known as a friendly and kind town. Layoffs have destroyed that image and it is still going on and it is still being planned. We know that one of your managers, Erik Strunk, has been trying to negotiate a way to privatize our libraries and layoff 57 city workers. We have had enough. When we hurt employees we hurt our city. They live here, they pay taxes here, they pay water bills here, they have families that are attending our schools... yet this council seems to be ready to take an ax and chop off all of them people to save 200 thousand dollars?... and you're up there wanting to give 320 million dollars to the Coyotes manager... a California guy... but you can sure cut up our people. Harvard University came out with a new word for the year. The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"... Its going to be in the dictionary next year... It means "Gross Mismanagement". Look in the mirror. I hope that you will vote this down.... keep our own employees... and if you have to cut... Cut some of them million dollar salaries that are being paid to the Coyotes instead of giving them all of that money. Thank you.
There was me, that is Joyce, and my three droogs, that is Scruggsie, Tindall, and Skeeter, and we sat in the Korova Leasebar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Korova Leasebar sold lease-plus, leases plus vellocet or synthemesc or AMFs which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-budgeting.

Coming soon:

Glendale Arizona.
Don't forget Winona,
...

Won't you get hip to this timely tip:
When you make that Arizona trip
Get your kicks on Thread LXVI.

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes


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Too bad the City Manager doesn't get to vote. He has all the dollars mapped out and recommends that the CoG doesn't vote YES to sign the lease, yet there is a good chance the council will vote YES regardless.

Skeete IMO is also putting himself in the new Mayor's good books. He is showing that he is willing to have an opinion and not just tell the council what they want to hear.

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Omnishambles - The word is compounded from the Latin prefix omni-, meaning "all", and the word shambles, meaning a situation of total disorder. The word refers to a situation which is seen as shambolic from all possible perspectives.


Perfect, just perfect.

Original use was in British television, here's the line.

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Not only have you got a ****ing bent husband and a ****ing daughter that gets taken to school in a ****ing sedan chair, you're also ****ing mental. Jesus Christ, you're a ****ing omnishambles, that's what you are. You're like that coffee machine, you know: from bean to cup, you **** up.
—Malcolm Tucker (Capaldi) to Nicola Murray (Front), "Series 3, Episode 1", The Thick of It.[1]
I love that word, and have used it more than once since I heard it in this PHX omnishambolic affair.

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Too bad the City Manager doesn't get to vote. He has all the dollars mapped out and recommends that the CoG doesn't vote YES to sign the lease, yet there is a good chance the council will vote YES regardless.

Skeete IMO is also putting himself in the new Mayor's good books. He is showing that he is willing to have an opinion and not just tell the council what they want to hear.
Skeete's lack of support is a surprising twist. It will add uncertainty to the process going forward, and I think it will give Knaack and Martinez heartburn about the vote. It basically puts those two individuals way out on a limb as the only people responsible for any future staff and service cuts, and possible financial meltdowns. Incoming council members will blame it on the incumbents (Knaack and Martinez) for voting against the recommendation of the city manager. Their seats are getting rather warm, I would think.

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Comments on Skeete's summary of the "Team Stays" vs "Team Goes" scenarios:

- Hey Horatio, you don't add an apostrophe when you pluralize a word. It's "Scenarios", not "Scenario's". Didn't they teach grammar at UofP?
- If you get rid of the team you have to cut $12 million from the general budget over the next 4 years, roughly 9% of expenses.
- If you keep the team you have to cut $20 million from the general budget over the next 4 years, roughly 15% of expenses. You end up roughly in the same place in 10 years.

Therefore, the basic net impact of the AMF agreement is essentially $8 million a year. The city is $8 million a year worse off with the team than without. Or, put another way, the COG is providing a subsidy in the AMF of $8 million a year. The revenue and cost savings from the lease deal are worth roughly $7 million a year, and they have agreed to pay $15 million, roughly twice the value they are getting.

How does that get past the gift clause?????

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Wow, I missed quite a bit... This is getting better and better. Who is writing the recollection of this saga and when can I buy a copy of it?!

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The last thread title was great. Kind of hard to top it me thinks.

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The last thread title was great. Kind of hard to top it me thinks.
I think "Get your kicks on Thread LXVI" will

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My personal conspiracy theory all along, which hasn't received a whole lot of creedance, is this dragging out by the NHL has to do with the votes they need to maintain the lockout. When I proposed this theory a few chapters ago it was brushed off, but now with the recent article about the "Jacobs 8" so to speak and the down right absurdity that continues to reveal itself in Glendale, I have no doubt my theory is correct. If the proverbial skeete hits the fan like it is about to, watch for a sudden change in the song and dance from owners. Players are waiting patiently for the results of this and I'm willing to bet if by some miracle that Phoenix stays, the players will cave.

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My personal conspiracy theory all along, which hasn't received a whole lot of creedance, is this dragging out by the NHL has to do with the votes they need to maintain the lockout. When I proposed this theory a few chapters ago it was brushed off, but now with the recent article about the "Jacobs 8" so to speak and the down right absurdity that continues to reveal itself in Glendale, I have no doubt my theory is correct. If the proverbial skeete hits the fan like it is about to, watch for a sudden change in the song and dance from owners. Players are waiting patiently for the results of this and I'm willing to bet if by some miracle that Phoenix stays, the players will cave.
I'm not sure I understand your theory. Why would Jamison vote differently than the NHL on lockout issues? Or are you suggesting that Jacobs and others are threatening Bettman by saying "if you don't end the lockout, we're not voting Jamison in"?

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I'll pretend that this topic is actually an homage to 8-Bit Theater's invention of the word omniloathe...

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Omniloathe
v: To find repugnant in all possible ways, conditions, and variances.
"All Communists omniloathe joy."
Which fits well here, as I omniloathe everything about the ongoing fiasco in Glendale. I'm honestly at the point where I don't care if they stay or go, I just want it over already.

Maybe in two weeks.

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I'm not sure I understand your theory. Why would Jamison vote differently than the NHL on lockout issues? Or are you suggesting that Jacobs and others are threatening Bettman by saying "if you don't end the lockout, we're not voting Jamison in"?
It more an issue if Jamison is Bettman strawman with no money and the team is all but relocated to Qc ASAP after the lockout. You think PKP would have dropped 240 million on the team last Summer and vote for cancelling the season now. So the NHL played a delaying game to stop a future owner from getting a vote too early for Gary liking. Also like I said before to announce the sale and relocation just after the lockout end would be a huge PR win for the NHL.

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I don't really buy into the notion that the reason for the lockout has to do with Yotes, if that's what the above theory is trying to imply (I could have misread).

Though the prospect of a lockout perhaps pushed the COG vote on the last lease to June 8. Traditionally, the NHL makes the city jump through the hoops in May.

As long as the lockout continues there's no real urgency on the NHL's front. Glendale and toil and fumble through the lease all they want. IMO, next week's vote means nothing and as soon as the lockout is settled we'll see some real movement on this saga

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I don't really buy into the notion that the reason for the lockout has to do with Yotes, if that's what the above theory is trying to imply (I could have misread).

Though the prospect of a lockout perhaps pushed the COG vote on the last lease to June 8. Traditionally, the NHL makes the city jump through the hoops in May.

As long as the lockout continues there's no real urgency on the NHL's front. Glendale and toil and fumble through the lease all they want. IMO, next week's vote means nothing and as soon as the lockout is settled we'll see some real movement on this saga
The lockout is not caused by the Yotes but I could see the lockout having an effect on whatever or not to relocate last summer or next summer.

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Too bad the City Manager doesn't get to vote. He has all the dollars mapped out and recommends that the CoG doesn't vote YES to sign the lease, yet there is a good chance the council will vote YES regardless.

Skeete IMO is also putting himself in the new Mayor's good books. He is showing that he is willing to have an opinion and not just tell the council what they want to hear.

Or maybe.... just maybe...... Skeete wants wants to keep his job after the new year and is telling the incoming council what he thinks they want to hear.

On a serious note tho.... I believe Skeete made that "non-recommendation" based upon the fact the sales tax increase sunsets in five years, and he can't assure the council where city finances will be then.

Cannot blame someone for not getting behind a long term obligation when your resources are unknown after a relatively short term.

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So if Knack flips and votes no and its a 3-3 tie what happens?

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So if Knack flips and votes no and its a 3-3 tie what happens?
Doesn't the mayor then get to cast the deciding vote?

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Doesn't the mayor then get to cast the deciding vote?
I believe so.

Now if they could only convince Lieberman to come back from the surf and sun to vote, there wouldn't be a tie. , but I'm thinking that's not likely. IIRC he has officially walked away.

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I believe so.

Now if they could only convince Lieberman to come back from the surf and sun to vote, there wouldn't be a tie. , but I'm thinking that's not likely. IIRC he has officially walked away.
he would have to be reappointed to the seat. Did he say why he bailed early?

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I believe so.

Now if they could only convince Lieberman to come back from the surf and sun to vote, there wouldn't be a tie. , but I'm thinking that's not likely. IIRC he has officially walked away.
Wouldn't the mayor's vote be included already in this scenario?

Either way, good question. My thought is if the votes ends in a tie, wouldn't it be considered rejected since if it's 3-3, there is no majority?

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Skeete IMO is also putting himself in the new Mayor's good books.
Or maybe he just doesn't think it's a good idea to plunge the city into austerity. Occam's Razor, anyone?

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Doesn't the mayor then get to cast the deciding vote?
No.

Ordinance must receive a majority vote to be enacted. The mayor doesn't get a special tie-breaking vote. If it is 3-3, the ordinance doesn't carry and the city manager may not execute the agreement.

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I didn't know Ken Jones watched The Thick of It.

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My personal conspiracy theory all along, which hasn't received a whole lot of creedance, is this dragging out by the NHL has to do with the votes they need to maintain the lockout. When I proposed this theory a few chapters ago it was brushed off, but now with the recent article about the "Jacobs 8" so to speak and the down right absurdity that continues to reveal itself in Glendale, I have no doubt my theory is correct. If the proverbial skeete hits the fan like it is about to, watch for a sudden change in the song and dance from owners. Players are waiting patiently for the results of this and I'm willing to bet if by some miracle that Phoenix stays, the players will cave.
What I mean here is, the Coyotes vote is needed to maintain the lockout since they need 8 votes, this is why it's dragging on despite (inspite of ?) the absurdity.

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The last thread title was great. Kind of hard to top it me thinks.
... are you kidding? Im thinkin kdb, who came up with the last thread title has just grown complacent with all that newfound power. Jaded, overly cynical & just downright lazy. Doesnt seem to understand like a lot of players he's only as good as his next shift, rift, chord structure & finger work. Dont care what you did in the past Pal. Whatre you doing for me right now? If Beatlesque, how about;

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