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I think that means Backstrom will be staying in Minnesota for the forseeable future.
It's just strange how all the goalie options that might have been available are going out through the strangest ways. Vokoun signed with Pittsburgh out of nowhere, Thomas cracked and took a year off(and is likely done), and now this. It's almost as if fate is making things happen so Luongo ends up in Toronto.
Not that I'm a big believer in fate, and obviously some of the things that have happened are just plain awful, but still, it gets one thinking.
It sounds like he is going to keep playing and he should. Sounds like a great story in the making.
Two items with next to no value to us for a player that would have have more individual impact than any other player on your team.
If Luongo's contract is so terrible, why do you want him?
I don't.
Luongo's contract makes him almost worthless. But let's face facts. You got to move Luongo eventually and sooner the better before his value depreciates even more. Tbh i'd rather go with Reimer/Scrivens then acquire Luongo.
Albeit I'd rather have Luongo then Bryzgalov. lol.
It sounds like he is going to keep playing and he should. Sounds like a great story in the making.
I don't see the point of this in this thread.
It was simply a comment on how seemingly all the other goalie options seem to have disappeared one way or another.
Obviously I want Harding to be able to succeed and do as well as he can, but I can't see Minnesota trading their starter with the associated risk that comes with that.
It's like me saying I'd be willing to give Raymond + Ballard + 2nd for Lundqvist, because I'm really not interested in adding him to our team. But I wouldn't gain anything productive by making that offer to Rangers fans.
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Luongo's contract makes him almost worthless. But let's face facts. You got to move Luongo eventually and sooner the better before his value depreciates even more. Tbh i'd rather go with Reimer/Scrivens then acquire Luongo.
Albeit I'd rather have Luongo then Bryzgalov. lol.
We might move Luongo, we might move Schneider. It all depends on what makes us a better team. Obviously there has been significant interest in Luongo, and if his contract made him worthless, then I don't see why that would be the case. As has been explained numerous times, his contract is cap circumvention, which is good for cap spending teams, not bad.
Insert: Isles. Hey, we're going to Brooklyn, and you're coming with us.
Anywho, Luongo will not be traded for a bag of pucks. He's an elite goaltender. What's all the fuss about?
The fuss is that certain fan-bases enjoy devaluing Luongo to the point whereby they convince themselves he's worthless; low and behold, they then offer up a trade - cause you know, he sucks and all. That's why they want him on their team.
It's like me saying I'd be willing to give Raymond + Ballard + 2nd for Lundqvist, because I'm really not interested in adding him to our team. But I wouldn't gain anything productive by making that offer to Rangers fans.
We might move Luongo, we might move Schneider. It all depends on what makes us a better team. Obviously there has been significant interest in Luongo, and if his contract made him worthless, then I don't see why that would be the case. As has been explained numerous times, his contract is cap circumvention, which is good for cap spending teams, not bad.
Except he has 5.3 cap hit until he's 43......
Give me a break.. you know as well as I do Schneider isn't going anywhere.
The fuss is that certain fan-bases enjoy devaluing Luongo to the point whereby they convince themselves he's worthless; low and behold, they then offer up a trade - cause you know, he sucks and all. That's why they want him on their team.
These threads are a joke.
I never said Luongo sucked. His contract most definitely sucks though.
Give me a break.. you know as well as I do Schneider isn't going anywhere.
He has a contract until he is 43. The league boycotted these types of contracts because it's clear as day that players like Luongo will not honour the entirety of their contracts. Yet people such as yourself continue to parrot this opinion.
It's a worthless opinion which, de facto, has no basis.
Colborne + 1st in 2013 (top ten protected) + Komisarek + MacArthur
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Luongo + Raymond
Burke was rumoured to have offered up a 1st + Kulemin + Komisarek after he traded Schenn to PHI. It was rejected. So I can't see how adding Colborne and Raymond from each side changes things.
The salary dump in Komisarek coming back doesn't work for VAN. They have to shed 9m+ at the end of the year while re-signing Edler and more... It just doesn't work.
Burke was rumoured to have offered up a 1st + Kulemin + Komisarek after he traded Schenn to PHI. It was rejected. So I can't see how adding Colborne and Raymond from each side changes things.
The salary dump in Komisarek coming back doesn't work for VAN. They have to shed 9m+ at the end of the year while re-signing Edler and more... It just doesn't work.
Rumoured and circulated on a fan forum, but nothing based on factual information. There is absolutely no way that Burke offered anything involving a first round pick for Luongo. You can keep telling convincing yourself that such an enticing offer was ever made, but despite it being repeated a dozen times, or a hundred times on a message board, no such offer would ever be made.
If Toronto offered their first round pick in 2013, and Gillis rejected this deal, no matter what else was on the table, he should immediately be fired. With the crop of players available, and the current state of the Leafs, you are talking about a very skilled prospect, even with Luongo on the Leafs... assuming there was a season.
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Give me a break.. you know as well as I do Schneider isn't going anywhere.
If Schnieder isn't going anywhere, why doesn't he have a NTC in his new contract? In fact, why did Schnieder play those two games in the playoffs? The series wasn't in contention, the Canucks were done. WTH? Were they trying to anger Luongo?
The thing is, this board is just opinions. Gillis' is the only opinion that matters. In anyone's opinion is Kassian a better prospect than Hodgson? Who cares? Gillis' opines he is, so Hodgson is gone.
I predict that Gillis trades for somebody on his wish list regaurdless of values. I predict that I will vehemantly disagree with his choice and it won't matter one bit.
Rumoured and circulated on a fan forum, but nothing based on factual information. There is absolutely no way that Burke offered anything involving a first round pick for Luongo. You can keep telling convincing yourself that such an enticing offer was ever made, but despite it being repeated a dozen times, or a hundred times on a message board, no such offer would ever be made.
If Toronto offered their first round pick in 2013, and Gillis rejected this deal, no matter what else was on the table, he should immediately be fired. With the crop of players available, and the current state of the Leafs, you are talking about a very skilled prospect, even with Luongo on the Leafs... assuming there was a season.
First of all, while a first certainly has value, if the best roster player coming back is Kulemin, I could see why Gillis would be reluctant to do the deal, as it does not help us now. Secondly, Komisarek is a non-starter. We have no place for him on our roster, and doing that deal makes us gain more salary than we lose.
And just because you say it never happened doesn't mean it didn't. It may not be a fact, but so far all the rumours so far have involved solid value coming our way.
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The fuss is that certain fan-bases enjoy devaluing Luongo to the point whereby they convince themselves he's worthless; low and behold, they then offer up a trade - cause you know, he sucks and all. That's why they want him on their team.
These threads are a joke.
These threads have been a joke since July! At least back then they have funny names to go along with them.
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He has a contract until he is 43. The league boycotted these types of contracts because it's clear as day that players like Luongo will not honour the entirety of their contracts. Yet people such as yourself continue to parrot this opinion.
It's a worthless opinion which, de facto, has no basis.
I don't know HOW many times this has been said... still goes in 1 ear & out the other with certain fan bases.
Rumoured and circulated on a fan forum, but nothing based on factual information. There is absolutely no way that Burke offered anything involving a first round pick for Luongo. You can keep telling convincing yourself that such an enticing offer was ever made, but despite it being repeated a dozen times, or a hundred times on a message board, no such offer would ever be made.
If Toronto offered their first round pick in 2013, and Gillis rejected this deal, no matter what else was on the table, he should immediately be fired. With the crop of players available, and the current state of the Leafs, you are talking about a very skilled prospect, even with Luongo on the Leafs... assuming there was a season.
Comments like this are what really make these threads worth reading. Since Gillis took over from Nonis, the Canucks have won more games than any other team in the league, 5 playoff series, and are coming off back to back President's trophies. All that's missing on that resume is the game 7 win from 2011. Yet, if Gillis doesn't think Komisarek and a 1st is enough to trade away the star goalie that helped accomplish all that for him, he should be fired on the spot.
Rumoured and circulated on a fan forum, but nothing based on factual information. There is absolutely no way that Burke offered anything involving a first round pick for Luongo. You can keep telling convincing yourself that such an enticing offer was ever made, but despite it being repeated a dozen times, or a hundred times on a message board, no such offer would ever be made.
If Toronto offered their first round pick in 2013, and Gillis rejected this deal, no matter what else was on the table, he should immediately be fired. With the crop of players available, and the current state of the Leafs, you are talking about a very skilled prospect, even with Luongo on the Leafs... assuming there was a season.
This post is so contradictory. You criticize a post for assuming a rumor as fact then yourself state the bolded as fact. You simply can't have it both ways.
For the record I think it is highly unlikely that a GM gives up a 1st in this draft for Luongo.
Rumoured and circulated on a fan forum, but nothing based on factual information. There is absolutely no way that Burke offered anything involving a first round pick for Luongo. You can keep telling convincing yourself that such an enticing offer was ever made, but despite it being repeated a dozen times, or a hundred times on a message board, no such offer would ever be made.
If Toronto offered their first round pick in 2013, and Gillis rejected this deal, no matter what else was on the table, he should immediately be fired. With the crop of players available, and the current state of the Leafs, you are talking about a very skilled prospect, even with Luongo on the Leafs... assuming there was a season.
That's what was rumoured, by report, and then it made the rounds on the forums. Again, rumoured first, then circulated. I don't have to convince myself of anything - it was rumoured. I'm going based off that rumour. You can choose not to.
But here's the key difference: I am using the rumour to formulate a stance, you are using nothing but your own bias. Who to believe? If you have a serious problem with the rumour, by all means, you don't have to believe it. But to take it one step further and start to project what you think Burke would or would not do, only makes your own position look suspect.
The rumour is out there. Then it went to the boards. If I constantly repeat it, I'm just the messenger, not the originator. That took place with some reporter who is paid to do what he is doing...
I think that means Backstrom will be staying in Minnesota for the forseeable future.
It's just strange how all the goalie options that might have been available are going out through the strangest ways. Vokoun signed with Pittsburgh out of nowhere, Thomas cracked and took a year off(and is likely done), and now this. It's almost as if fate is making things happen so Luongo ends up in Toronto.
Not that I'm a big believer in fate, and obviously some of the things that have happened are just plain awful, but still, it gets one thinking.
Yah, Harding got diagnosed with MS so Luongo would end up in Toronto.
Thanks for the Laugh!
