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Nazem Kadri vs Jakob Silfverberg

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11-28-2012, 01:12 PM
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Last 10yrs of 1st rounders:

Rask ------- Karlsson
Steen ------ Foligno
Colaiacovo - Meszaros
Schenn ---- Cowen
Kadri ------ Zibanejad
Tlusty ----- Eaves
Biggs ------ Noesen
Percy ----- Puempel
XXXX ----- O'Brien
XXXX ----- Lee
XXXX ----- Klepis
makes me wanna cry seeing us trade the two best prospects we have drafted in the past 10 years for pretty much NUTHIN. Well except for Rielly, he's like the light at the end of a long dark tunnel. & Holy **** has it ever been long.

I've seen Silfverberg play like once, so I really can't compare fairly. But looking though this thread it appears that doesn't stop anyone else(looking at you, guy who called Kadri a bust, etc etc). So I pick my teams player, Nazem Kadri.

I can't vote anyway so it doesn't matter who I pick.

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11-28-2012, 01:19 PM
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Last 10yrs of 1st rounders:

Rask ------- Karlsson
Steen ------ Foligno
Colaiacovo - Meszaros
Schenn ---- Cowen
Kadri ------ Zibanejad
Tlusty ----- Eaves
Biggs ------ Noesen
Percy ----- Puempel
XXXX ----- O'Brien
XXXX ----- Lee
XXXX ----- Klepis
and not 1 is playing for the leafs.

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11-28-2012, 02:05 PM
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and not 1 is playing for the leafs.
You're still wrong about leafs 1st rounders "not doing anything"

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11-28-2012, 04:16 PM
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weird that leafs' busts are playing as well as similar aged top sens prospects, eh?
Other than zbad none are first rounders playing in the ahl. As ours are in the nhl ,playing big roles on a playoff team in ottawa last season


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11-28-2012, 04:21 PM
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Last 10yrs of 1st rounders:

Rask ------- Karlsson
Steen ------ Foligno
Colaiacovo - Meszaros
Schenn ---- Cowen
Kadri ------ Zibanejad
Tlusty ----- Eaves
Biggs ------ Noesen
Percy ----- Puempel
XXXX ----- O'Brien
XXXX ----- Lee
XXXX ----- Klepis


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11-28-2012, 04:56 PM
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You're still wrong about leafs 1st rounders "not doing anything"
OK, there not doing anything for the leafs.

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11-28-2012, 06:16 PM
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Lmaooo, how was that supposed to help his argument, looooool.

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11-28-2012, 06:31 PM
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It's not all about points.. wait for Silfverberg to get more adapted to the NA style of play and I think he will be a more effective player out on the ice than Kadri.
Excuses, excuses. He's brought up a good point.

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11-28-2012, 06:41 PM
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Last 10yrs of 1st rounders:

Rask ------- Karlsson
Steen ------ Foligno
Colaiacovo - Meszaros
Schenn ---- Cowen
Kadri ------ Zibanejad
Tlusty ----- Eaves
Biggs ------ Noesen
Percy ----- Puempel
XXXX ----- O'Brien
XXXX ----- Lee
XXXX ----- Klepis
So why do Leafs get Colaiacovo (drafted in 2001) added while the Sens don't get Spezza (drafted in 2001) or Gleason (drafted in 2001) added? Seems a little biased to me...

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Excuses, excuses. He's brought up a good point.
And Intangibles brought up a good point, too. Silfverberg has to get used to North American ice and learn the new playing style. He's done more against men than Kadri has done in his entire career. He's won the SEL championship, broken records, captained a team and won the MVP against men. Kadri has done what? Runner up for the Memorial Cup. Runner up for the Calder Cup. Runner up in the WJC.

As you guys say, maybe Silfverberg won't adapt to the North American ice. Maybe he was just good in the SEL, and won't be in the NHL like many have been. However, maybe Kadri won't succeed in the NHL. Many have done well in the OHL then in the AHL and gone on to do nothing in the NHL. It works both ways...


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12-01-2012, 12:34 PM
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Silfverberg is now only four points back of Kadri with a game in hand. Important to note that Silfverberg is tied for first in the team in points, while Kadri is third on the Marlies.

Silf put up 1+1 in a 7-2 win last night. Binghamton has now won seven games in a row, and they're starting to heat up. Silf's goal:


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12-01-2012, 12:56 PM
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Silfverberg is now only four points back of Kadri with a game in hand. Important to note that Silfverberg is tied for first in the team in points, while Kadri is third on the Marlies.

Silf put up 1+1 in a 7-2 win last night. Binghamton has now won seven games in a row, and they're starting to heat up. Silf's goal:
And? Stats like that change from game-to-game. Only 2 games ago, Kadri was pretty much leading the team in points. Not to mention the 2 guys that are ahead of him right now are AHL vets and have both played an extra game than he has.

Tracking game-by-game stats is great, but when doing a comparison like this, come back when the sample size is at least 40-50 games.

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And? Stats like that change from game-to-game. Only 2 games ago, Kadri was pretty much leading the team in points. Not to mention the 2 guys that are ahead of him right now are AHL vets and have both played an extra game than he has.

Tracking game-by-game stats is great, but when doing a comparison like this, come back when the sample size is at least 40-50 games.
when points was pretty much the entire argument for Kadri, it's worth noting. The whole point of the post was to point out that you need a larger sample for points because things can change in a hurry.

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12-01-2012, 02:02 PM
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And? Stats like that change from game-to-game. Only 2 games ago, Kadri was pretty much leading the team in points. Not to mention the 2 guys that are ahead of him right now are AHL vets and have both played an extra game than he has.

Tracking game-by-game stats is great, but when doing a comparison like this, come back when the sample size is at least 40-50 games.
This isn't a decider or anything but it is something to consider.

Do you think had they switched spots last year Kadri leads Brynas to the championship, wins the league MVP, wins the playoff MVP, and as a bonus, earns captaincy? Do you really think Kadri does this? Do you see an entire town dancing and chanting Kadri's name? lol

The answer is likely an "ahhh, **** no".

Silfverberg all of a sudden looks like he's clearly above this level. And I'm constantly forgetting he's just 21 based on the maturity he plays with all over the ice, in all situations, but also because of the things he's already done in the game.

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This isn't a decider or anything but it is something to consider.

Do you think had they switched spots last year Kadri leads Brynas to the championship, wins the league MVP, wins the playoff MVP, and as a bonus, earns captaincy? Do you really think Kadri does this? Do you see an entire town dancing and chanting Kadri's name? lol

The answer is likely an "ahhh, **** no".

Silfverberg all of a sudden looks like he's clearly above this level. And I'm constantly forgetting he's just 21 based on the maturity he plays with all over the ice, in all situations, but also because of the things he's already done in the game.
Give it up with the hypotheticals, that doesn't prove anything. Not to mention the game in Sweden is a bit different and takes a different approach. Of course it would be an adjustment there for Kadri, just like how you guys are saying it's different for Jakob here.

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Give it up with the hypotheticals, that doesn't prove anything. Not to mention the game in Sweden is a bit different and takes a different approach. Of course it would be an adjustment there for Kadri, just like how you guys are saying it's different for Jakob here.
Buy after that adjustment period Kadri would take the league by storm, right?

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Buy after that adjustment period Kadri would take the league by storm, right?
Did I ever say that? Why are you Sens fans getting so defensive/insecure? Silf is a good prospect, good for you. Jeez.

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It is kinda funny how ragged on Kadri is for not being an NHL regular yet but somehow Silfverberg gets the free pass.

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It is kinda funny how ragged on Kadri is for not being an NHL regular yet but somehow Silfverberg gets the free pass.
Murray basically begged Silfverberg to stay in the NHL last year and guaranteed him a spot on the 3rd line to start out of training camp and start up from there.

Silfverberg himself chose it would be best for his development to go back to Sweden, dominate then come back more polished and experienced to step into a top 6 role right away.

Guess what happened? He dominated, won every award you possibly could in the SEL last year then played a couple games in the playoffs for Ottawa against NYR on the top line, now he's leading the skilled bingo team in points. If it wasn't for the lock-out we wouldn't be having this discussion, he'd be in the NHL, most likely alongside Spezza or Turris.

It's funny how people just assume without knowing what they're talking about.

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It is kinda funny how ragged on Kadri is for not being an NHL regular yet but somehow Silfverberg gets the free pass.
Well one was drafted 7th overall and the other was drafted 39th overall.

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I remember some of the games Silfverberg played against the Rags, he was absolutely dominating in their zone along the boards and created a ton of chances. The Rags were on their heels with Ottawa's pressure offensively.

I think it's pretty impressive for a Rookie to be doing that in the playoffs. Given his overall package, I don't have any doubts that this guy is going to be an awesome Top 6 forward. There's just not many knocks against the way he plays the game, and what he can do.

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Give it up with the hypotheticals, that doesn't prove anything. Not to mention the game in Sweden is a bit different and takes a different approach. Of course it would be an adjustment there for Kadri, just like how you guys are saying it's different for Jakob here.
Lets assume Kadri was Swedish.

You're getting defensive, saying it doesn't prove anything. I admitted that, still something to consider. Thanks for your answer, synonymous with mine.

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It is kinda funny how ragged on Kadri is for not being an NHL regular yet but somehow Silfverberg gets the free pass.
The Sens thought he was ready to play before last season but he didn't. So then he went and proved to be the undisputed top player in Sweden.

Kadri's tried several times and failed. In the playoffs last year, he appeared like a player that would stick...mostly because he didn't have to score to be effective.

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Kadri AINEC.

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Well one was drafted 7th overall and the other was drafted 39th overall.
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The Sens thought he was ready to play before last season but he didn't. So then he went and proved to be the undisputed top player in Sweden.

Kadri's tried several times and failed. In the playoffs last year, he appeared like a player that would stick...mostly because he didn't have to score to be effective.
The Sens thinking he was ready means absolutely nothing, all that means is that he'd get a shot at playing with the team, which Kadri has already earned several times. The point is it's silly to use the fact that Kadri isn't an NHL regular yet as a shot against him when he has done a lot more in the NHL than Silfverberg. Whether he could've or could not have played in the NHL is pure speculation. Similarly, one could argue that Kadri could have played on the Leafs getting limited minutes and some PP time, but it was better for his development to be one of the main guys on the Marlies offense. I am not ragging on Silfverberg for not making the NHL yet, I am saying that it's a double standard that Kadri is judged for it and Silfverberg isn't.

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This just sounds like a child that didn't get his way and now he's mad and attacks the other side. Defensiveness/insecurity is rampant here universally just as much as the accusations of it to discredit the other side.

I'm oh so angry that you called us defensive and insecure. Roar.
Delicious irony.

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Irrelevant.
The Sens thinking he was ready means absolutely nothing, all that means is that he'd get a shot at playing with the team, which Kadri has already earned several times. The point is it's silly to use the fact that Kadri isn't an NHL regular yet as a shot against him when he has done a lot more in the NHL than Silfverberg. Whether he could've or could not have played in the NHL is pure speculation. Similarly, one could argue that Kadri could have played on the Leafs getting limited minutes and some PP time, but it was better for his development to be one of the main guys on the Marlies offense. I am not ragging on Silfverberg for not making the NHL yet, I am saying that it's a double standard that Kadri is judged for it and Silfverberg isn't.

Delicious irony.
Lmaoooooooooooo, is anyone else taking in what he's saying?

How is the first post you quoted relevant. If some guy was drafted 7th overall and the other guy 39th, who would you expect to be better and already in the NHL? Loooooooooool. Man said irrelevant. Also, it's not speculation. Ottawa TOLD HIM he is guaranteed a 3rd line spot to begin with. Also, look at what the Habs fan said and others, he was very strong in his debut in the playoffs proving that he is NHL ready and more than capable for it.

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