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11-26-2012, 02:09 PM
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Mediators (MOD: US Federal Mediator Service brought in)

A mediator has been assigned to CBA talks...how soon can they come to an agreement?


MOD: http://www.fmcs.gov/internet/itemDet...9&itemID=23887

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11-26-2012, 02:15 PM
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When they feel like their ready.

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11-26-2012, 02:19 PM
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Really though,it means squat that there's mediators now.The NHL lockout can still progress long enough to the point where the season is officially cancelled.

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11-26-2012, 02:19 PM
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If every media outlet on the planet can figure out a fair agreement and how to bridge the gap. Surely FMCS will be able to solve this lockout in a matter of hours.

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Mediation is not binding. It's just an objective third party trying to help process get on track. Mediators were, IIRC, used in 2004-05.

If they can't agree to what mediation comes up with then the season doesn't deserve to be played and both the players and owners deserve to lose lots of $$$

Which ever side does not agree to what the mediator decides should be required to have their boss step down...Fehr or Bettman

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A mediator has been assigned to CBA talks...how soon can they come to an agreement?
The NHL really didn't want this ... the owners really have to open their books now ... Bettman is getting canned

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Mediation is not binding.

Read enough there.

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Lets hope this mediator helps them work something out.
Sounds more promising than decertification anyway.

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You better believe Bettman and his gang of merry men are worried about PA decertification. That's the only reason why they agreed to this and they may not like what comes out of this.

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There was a mediator assigned in the 04 lockout prior to the cancellation of the season. Clearly that didn't solve the problem. Although it was only through meeting with the mediator that the PA said they would consider a salary cap at all. So its beats nothing

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11-26-2012, 02:28 PM
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I think mediators can help. Both sides are now so close that having a 3rd party involved can lead to a compromise. The $ difference at this point is far less than even losing 2 more weeks.

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The NHL really didn't want this ... the owners really have to open their books now ... Bettman is getting canned
They have already opened their books.

The players have at least as much to fear from decertification as the players.

A mediator can only be good news.

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11-26-2012, 02:31 PM
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Just remember that Mediation did't help anything during the 2004-05 NHL lockout.

This is probaby the last thing before the players go all out for decertification .

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They have already opened their books.

The players have at least as much to fear from decertification as the players.

A mediator can only be good news.
scientific accounting sir, scientific accounting

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I wish it were arbitration they were going to

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A mediator is only useful if:

A- The NHLPA puts their best offer on the table

B- The NHL puts their best offer on the table

And the mediator can pick either A or B or a combination / middle-ground of both, AND both parties have agreed to be bound to whatever the mediator decides.

Otherwise, it means nothing. As above said... arbitration would be better.

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The only problem is that mediation may only serve as another distraction to actual negotiating. Both sides may just waste more time trying to sway mediators as they do public opinion instead of solving the problem.

This could waste another 2 weeks and possibly cost the season!?!?

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The only problem is that mediation may only serve as another distraction to actual negotiating. Both sides may just waste more time trying to sway mediators as they do public opinion instead of solving the problem.

This could waste another 2 weeks and possibly cost the season!?!?
Except that the mediators are probably going to be a little bit more educated and the point of mediation is to sway the mediator to lean more towards your side.

Hopefully they get SOMETHING out of this.

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A mediator is only useful if:

A- The NHLPA puts their best offer on the table

B- The NHL puts their best offer on the table

And the mediator can pick either A or B or a combination / middle-ground of both, AND both parties have agreed to be bound to whatever the mediator decides.

Otherwise, it means nothing. As above said... arbitration would be better.
It a mediator not an arbitrator!

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per ESPN's article (which LeBrun wrote, for the record), he has a decent track record:

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Cohen has worked with the players' associations for Major League Baseball, helping end the 1994-95 strike as an outside counsel, and the NBA. He was an adviser to the NHL players' union before joining the FMCS three years ago.

Cohen mediated during the 2010 negotiations in Major League Soccer and 2011 talks in the NFL and NBA, along with this year's dispute between the NFL and its on-field officials.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/86...gree-mediation

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Would prefer binding arbitration but this is a step in the right direction. Hopefully the mediators can put some wind behind these sails.

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They have already opened their books.

The players have at least as much to fear from decertification as the players.

A mediator can only be good news.
Actually they havnt opened their books.....we get minute samples or "numbers of losses" etc but no books have been opened.

the only thing I have seen was the Florida books /situation being more open due to the city auditors... but thats it..


MLB had theri "books" before they had an independant auditor come in and he found there were alot of discrepenciaes ..ie revenue moved off the books to other areas ...expense from other areas of the owners brought in ....


Thats not to say that parts of the league are not in trouble.....but it is very unclear what the true nature of the financial health of the league is....

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This is very similar to the first lockout with the MLB and Fehr.

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There was a mediator assigned in the 04 lockout prior to the cancellation of the season. Clearly that didn't solve the problem. Although it was only through meeting with the mediator that the PA said they would consider a salary cap at all. So its beats nothing
This. Clearly what they've been doing hasn't been working too well.

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per ESPN's article (which LeBrun wrote, for the record), he has a decent track record:



http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/86...gree-mediation
Sounds good. High hopes then.

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Just remember that Mediation did't help anything during the 2004-05 NHL lockout.

This is probaby the last thing before the players go all out for decertification .
True, but are both sides closer to a deal than the same time in 04-05? I would say so.

E: Definitely like the history of Mr. Cohen.

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