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12-27-2012, 07:53 PM
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^^ I assume Ottawa is gone then? and ya, It feels like people just hate proposals or anything in general when it isn't to their likings because their team is not included and so forth. Heck, I will probably be pissed if the Canucks aren't included in proposals too but I don't outright tell people to **** off or say it is the "worst proposal ever"
Not my intent to toss Ottawa overboard. I can always update it as it evolves. Consider it the first draft.

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Not my intent to toss Ottawa overboard. I can always update it as it evolves. Consider it the first draft.
Lets see how draft 2 comes along.

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Not my intent to toss Ottawa overboard. I can always update it as it evolves. Consider it the first draft.
Team hgp Total AVG
Buffalo 41 760,558 18,550
Ottawa 41 793,612 19,356

Also, they are not going to move Columbus 2 hours up the road.

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Feel free to make one of your own if it's not to your liking.
It doesn't matter if it's not to my liking. One of the ridiculous things on his proposal is having the Islanders move, even though they signed a 25-year lease to play in Barclay's Center after their lease at NVMC.

And where is Buffalo?

I guess if we are realigning the NHL however we want, I say move all 30 teams to India. At least they have the population.

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It doesn't matter if it's not to my liking. One of the ridiculous things on his proposal is having the Islanders move, even though they signed a 25-year lease to play in Barclay's Center after their lease at NVMC.

And where is Buffalo?

I guess if we are realigning the NHL however we want, I say move all 30 teams to India. At least they have the population.
How many times will I say it, this is not a relocation map. It is if the NHL was starting up again, fresh, new rules, new teams. If you even looked at the rules up top, you would even see it is pretty much a new league. Not relocation. Also, just because your "team" is not there does not mean you have to be all ******** about it and say it is the worst proposal ever.

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I think we could at least agree that the OP's proposal is better than the NHL one that was vetoed by NHLPA.

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lets do a realignment based on a draft. every year a draft team respresenting the four families each take turns picking a team for their division.

nobody wins, everybody complains

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It's great except Baltimore to Long Island, Portland to Anaheim, and Milwaukee to Buffalo.

LOL @ MayorBee. Quality post.

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Switching Columbus and Nashville would have all Eastern teams in the same time zone, if that's what you're into.
Vancouver inherits Dallas' travel issues, minus the time zone issue.

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Switching Columbus and Nashville would have all Eastern teams in the same time zone, if that's what you're into.
Vancouver inherits Dallas' travel issues, minus the time zone issue.
I think you're forgetting about Detroit.

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Saw on NBC ProHockeyTalk that should they have a season, there's a possibility they might flip flop Winnipeg and Columbus for the shortened season. Not a permanent solution but an interesting one. It seems Winnipeg would be in the Central and Columbus in the Southeast. In my opinion, it would be better if they moved Dallas to the Central, Colorado to the Pacific, and Winnipeg to the Northwest.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...rtened-season/


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Anaheim
Colorado
LA
Phoenix
San Jose

Calgary
Edmonton
Minnesota
Vancouver
Winnipeg

Chicago
Dallas
Detroit
Nashville
St. Louis

Carolina
Columbus
Florida
Tampa Bay
Washington

Boston
Buffalo
Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto

Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
New Jersey
NYI
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Saw on NBC ProHockeyTalk that should they have a season, there's a possibility they might flip flop Winnipeg and Columbus for the shortened season. Not a permanent solution but an interesting one. It seems Winnipeg would be in the Central and Columbus in the Southeast. In my opinion, it would be better if they moved Dallas to the Central, Winnipeg to the Pacific, and Winnipeg to the Northwest.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...rtened-season/
I know Winnipeg wants to make up for 15 years without an NHL team, but damn! I kid, I kid.

But if Columbus and Winnipeg were to switch conferences, pending another realignment after this season, then I wonder if that means that Columbus would then stay in a more eastern group, instead of in the more central Det/Chi/Nas/StL/Min/Wpg/Dal proposed conference. Maybe hook up with Pittsburgh and the rest of the Atlantic group.

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I know Winnipeg wants to make up for 15 years without an NHL team, but damn! I kid, I kid.

But if Columbus and Winnipeg were to switch conferences, pending another realignment after this season, then I wonder if that means that Columbus would then stay in a more eastern group, instead of in the more central Det/Chi/Nas/StL/Min/Wpg/Dal proposed conference. Maybe hook up with Pittsburgh and the rest of the Atlantic group.
My bad, meant Colorado to the Pacific.

I wonder the same. It seems more logical to put Nashville in the Southeast instead of Columbus, but this is clearly just a temporary fix to avoid having Winnipeg travel to Florida 3 times in a shortened season and vice versa.

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Saw on NBC ProHockeyTalk that should they have a season, there's a possibility they might flip flop Winnipeg and Columbus for the shortened season. Not a permanent solution but an interesting one. It seems Winnipeg would be in the Central and Columbus in the Southeast. In my opinion, it would be better if they moved Dallas to the Central, Colorado to the Pacific, and Winnipeg to the Northwest.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...rtened-season/
Shannon says it won't happen:

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How I would do it:

Western Conference

Pacific
Anaheim, LA, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver - Vancouver instead of Dallas

Northwest
Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, Winnipeg - Winnipeg instead of Vancouver

Central
Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Nashville, St. Louis - Dallas instead of Columbus


Eastern Conference

Atlantic
New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh - Same

Northeast
Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto - Same

Southeast
Columbus, Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington - Columbus moves East, replaces Winnipeg



Basically, made the necessary East/West swap by picking Columbus to move East and swap with Winnipeg. Detroit clearly does not need to move East to be successful, as evidenced by the last 21 years, so they stay in the West and make sure Chicago isn't the only Original Six team in that conference.

Made a few adjustments to the Western divisions, making travel within division easier for most of the teams, exception being maybe the Central. As much as I wanted to put the Wild in the Central, as long as they're with Winnipeg instead, that's fine with me.

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Yep, I like

Winnipeg --> NorthWest
Vancouver --> Pacific
Dallas --> Central
Columbus --> SouthEast

simple

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12-29-2012, 05:53 PM
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Western Conference

Pacific
Anaheim, LA, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver - Vancouver instead of Dallas (YES)

Northwest
Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, Winnipeg - Winnipeg instead of Vancouver (YES)

Central
Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Nashville, St. Louis - Dallas instead of Columbus (YES)


Eastern Conference

Atlantic
New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh - Same

Northeast
Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto - Same (YES)

Southeast
Columbus, Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington - Columbus moves East, replaces Winnipeg
Atlantic
New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Tampa Bay, Florida

Central
Columbus, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina


Western Conference
Rename "Central" > "Midwest"

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12-29-2012, 06:13 PM
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My vision:

PRINCE OF WALES CONFERENCE (Eastern)

ADAMS DIVISION (Northeast)

Boston Bruins
Montreal Canadiens
Ottawa Senators
Toronto Maple Leafs
Buffalo Sabres
New York Islanders
New York Rangers
New Jersey Devils

PATRICK DIVISION (Atlantic)

Detroit Red Wings
Columbus Blue Jackets
Pittsburgh Penguins
Philadelphia Flyers
Washington Capitals
Carolina Hurricanes
Tampa Bay Lightning
Florida Panthers


CLARENCE CAMPBELL CONFERENCE (Western)

NORRIS DIVISION (Central)

Winnipeg Jets
Minnesota Wild
Chicago Blackhawks
St. Louis Blues
Nashville Predators
Dallas Stars
Colorado Avalanche

SMYTHE DIVISION (West)

Edmonton Oilers
Calgary Flames
Vancouver Canucks
San Jose Sharks
Los Angeles Kings
Anaheim Ducks
Phoenix Coyotes



There's bound to be some unhappiness here, especially by splitting the Rangers/Devils away from the Flyers/Penguins. Unfortunately, there's no real way around it. It's mitigated somewhat by putting Detroit into the Patrick Division, along with Washington.

Same frustrations in pulling Detroit out of the current Central. You lose that rivalry with the Blackhawks. But it gets all Eastern Time Zone teams to the Eastern Conference, and the Blackhawks should gain some good games with the Wild/Avalanche/Jets. Over time these will work out nicely.

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The schedule will work as follows...


Each Wales Conference Team plays their own division opponents 4 times, two home, and two away.

7 X 4 = 28 Games

Each Wales Conference Team plays their other Conference division opponents 3 times, alternating home ice each year.

8 x 3 = 24 Games

Each Wales Conference Team plays each Campbell Conference team twice, one home, one away.

14 x 2 = 28 Games

This is an 80 game schedule.



Each Campbell Conference Team plays their own division opponents 4 times, two home, and two away.

6 X 4 = 24 Games

Each Campbell Conference Team plays their other Conference division opponents 3 times alternating home ice each year.

7 x 3 = 21 Games

Each Campbell Conference Team plays each Wales Conference Team twice, one home, one away.

16 x 2 = 32 Games

This is a 77 game schedule.

You'll notice the Western teams only have a 77 game schedule. This is tough. The easiest way I've found to make it work is those last 3 games are played within the division, with a 4 year rotation. For example,

In Year 1, VAN plays an extra divisional game against SJ, @LA, and @ANA.
In Year 2, VAN plays an extra divisional game against EDM, CGY, and @PHX.
In Year 3, VAN plays an extra divisional game against @SJ, LA, and ANA.
In Year 4, VAN plays an extra divisional game against @EDM, @CGY, and PHX.

This way, every 4 years, you get an extra two games against each division opponent, one home, one away.

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Playoff seeding works thusly:

16 team playoff, same as now. 8 teams from each Conference. Top 2 teams in each Division get guaranteed Playoff Berths. The remaining 4 spots in each Conference are the teams with the highest points.

Yes, this means, in theory, the Western teams have a slightly better chance to get into the playoffs, as the last 4 playoff spots are pulled from 10 teams instead of 12. While East Coast teams may view this as unfair, there is a reasoning behind it. Western teams each have to play 3 extra divisional games, and Western teams also have to travel more. These are slight disadvantages, which, in my opinion, equal out the slight advantage in regards to Playoff Berths.

Seeding, and home ice is based on points, nothing else. If the Bruins are 2nd in the Adams Division with 91 points, they are guaranteed a spot. But if they're 5th in points behind Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Washington, and Detroit, tough luck. They're a 5 seed, and don't have home ice advantage.

As the NHL does now, teams are reseeded after each round.

To determine Home Ice for the Stanley Cup Final, we look at which team has a better winning percentage against the other conference.


Thoughts? Opinions? I haven't exactly gone in and worked out a specific schedule. I would imagine it could get a little complicated, especially out West, making sure teams get 40 home and 40 road games a year. But still, I think it's pretty good.
As a Rangers fan, I would hate to lose the rivalry with the Flyers and Penguins as you mentioned. However, I could learn to love the rivalry with the Bruins, Habs, Leafs, etc that would be certain to surface.

However, I do not like the idea only 4 games against the division. Would rather go with the idea of 4 conferences. More games against your conference, and 2 against the other conferences.

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If the Rangers aren't in the Patrick Division, then I rather not use division names.

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I made this up really quickly....It's far from perfect as I think all that needs to be done is switching Winnipeg/Columbus but that doesn't address the underlying problems, such as Dallas playing in the Pacific.

The Divisions would be split up into Pacific, Northwest, Central, all playing in the Western Conference, and the Atlantic, NorthEast,South Divison all in the Eastern Conference.

Every team plays every other team Home and Away= 29*2= 58 Games
Every team plays the teams in their division an additional 4 times= 74 Games
The remaining 6-8 Games would be randomly determined inside the teams own conference. The place where the NHL Map gets difficult to create divisions is east of Dallas and St.Louis. There are many directions to go in, but this one preserves the 3 NYC teams together, and keeps the PA teams in the same divison. The weakest division is the South, which only has one older team, the Caps.

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Add 10 expansion teams in Seattle, Portland, Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Quebec City, Kansas City, Baltimore, Houston, Hamilton and Indianapolis.

Separate the league into two leagues: Stanley Cup League and World Cup League. 20 teams a piece. 16 teams to the playoffs.

The Stanley Cup League is the only league that can play for the Stanley Cup. The four teams that do not make the playoffs are sent down to the World Cup League.

The World Cup League plays for the unused World Cup of Hockey. The top four teams in the World Cup Semi-Finals will be moved to the Stanley Cup League in the next season. The bottom four teams that do not make the playoffs draw lottery for the first overall pick.

Divisions change based on which 20 teams are in which league.

I always loved the Superleague formats.

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My vision:

PRINCE OF WALES CONFERENCE (Eastern)

ADAMS DIVISION (Northeast)

Boston Bruins
Montreal Canadiens
Ottawa Senators
Toronto Maple Leafs
Buffalo Sabres
New York Islanders
New York Rangers
New Jersey Devils

PATRICK DIVISION (Atlantic)

Detroit Red Wings
Columbus Blue Jackets
Pittsburgh Penguins
Philadelphia Flyers
Washington Capitals
Carolina Hurricanes
Tampa Bay Lightning
Florida Panthers


CLARENCE CAMPBELL CONFERENCE (Western)

NORRIS DIVISION (Central)

Winnipeg Jets
Minnesota Wild
Chicago Blackhawks
St. Louis Blues
Nashville Predators
Dallas Stars
Colorado Avalanche

SMYTHE DIVISION (West)

Edmonton Oilers
Calgary Flames
Vancouver Canucks
San Jose Sharks
Los Angeles Kings
Anaheim Ducks
Phoenix Coyotes



There's bound to be some unhappiness here, especially by splitting the Rangers/Devils away from the Flyers/Penguins. Unfortunately, there's no real way around it. It's mitigated somewhat by putting Detroit into the Patrick Division, along with Washington.

Same frustrations in pulling Detroit out of the current Central. You lose that rivalry with the Blackhawks. But it gets all Eastern Time Zone teams to the Eastern Conference, and the Blackhawks should gain some good games with the Wild/Avalanche/Jets. Over time these will work out nicely.

------------------------------------------------------

The schedule will work as follows...


Each Wales Conference Team plays their own division opponents 4 times, two home, and two away.

7 X 4 = 28 Games

Each Wales Conference Team plays their other Conference division opponents 3 times, alternating home ice each year.

8 x 3 = 24 Games

Each Wales Conference Team plays each Campbell Conference team twice, one home, one away.

14 x 2 = 28 Games

This is an 80 game schedule.



Each Campbell Conference Team plays their own division opponents 4 times, two home, and two away.

6 X 4 = 24 Games

Each Campbell Conference Team plays their other Conference division opponents 3 times alternating home ice each year.

7 x 3 = 21 Games

Each Campbell Conference Team plays each Wales Conference Team twice, one home, one away.

16 x 2 = 32 Games

This is a 77 game schedule.

You'll notice the Western teams only have a 77 game schedule. This is tough. The easiest way I've found to make it work is those last 3 games are played within the division, with a 4 year rotation. For example,

In Year 1, VAN plays an extra divisional game against SJ, @LA, and @ANA.
In Year 2, VAN plays an extra divisional game against EDM, CGY, and @PHX.
In Year 3, VAN plays an extra divisional game against @SJ, LA, and ANA.
In Year 4, VAN plays an extra divisional game against @EDM, @CGY, and PHX.

This way, every 4 years, you get an extra two games against each division opponent, one home, one away.

------------------------------------------------------

Playoff seeding works thusly:

16 team playoff, same as now. 8 teams from each Conference. Top 2 teams in each Division get guaranteed Playoff Berths. The remaining 4 spots in each Conference are the teams with the highest points.

Yes, this means, in theory, the Western teams have a slightly better chance to get into the playoffs, as the last 4 playoff spots are pulled from 10 teams instead of 12. While East Coast teams may view this as unfair, there is a reasoning behind it. Western teams each have to play 3 extra divisional games, and Western teams also have to travel more. These are slight disadvantages, which, in my opinion, equal out the slight advantage in regards to Playoff Berths.

Seeding, and home ice is based on points, nothing else. If the Bruins are 2nd in the Adams Division with 91 points, they are guaranteed a spot. But if they're 5th in points behind Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Washington, and Detroit, tough luck. They're a 5 seed, and don't have home ice advantage.

As the NHL does now, teams are reseeded after each round.

To determine Home Ice for the Stanley Cup Final, we look at which team has a better winning percentage against the other conference.


Thoughts? Opinions? I haven't exactly gone in and worked out a specific schedule. I would imagine it could get a little complicated, especially out West, making sure teams get 40 home and 40 road games a year. But still, I think it's pretty good.

Single biggest reason your idea will never happen is that the conferences do not have the same number of teams. NHL is about integrity and by doing this you are removing it. Teams in the West will have greater odds of making the playoffs.

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Single biggest reason your idea will never happen is that the conferences do not have the same number of teams. NHL is about integrity and by doing this you are removing it. Teams in the West will have greater odds of making the playoffs.
I don't disagree with your reasoning, but strangely what the owners decided on last December included just that imbalance that you're saying will never happen. And then, if you look at the history of the NHL, it's happened before also.

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Being an Avs fan it would royally piss me off if they put the Avs in the Pacific division. There is no reason a team located in Denver Colorado should be in a division based on the Pacific coast. Especially since there are 5 teams that are much closer to the Pacific ocean than the Avs (Vancouver, San Jose, LA, Anaheim and Phoenix). I don't understand why Vancouver fans wouldn't want to be in the Pacific division. You get more games that start at a reasonable time. As an Avs fan I hate all the games when we go to the west coast because they start at 8 or 8:30 locally and don't get done until 11 or 11:30 which sucks when you have to wake up a 6AM the next day to go to work.

I think the best way to break up the divisions would be:

NE: MTL, OTT, BUF, TOR, BOS

Atlantic: NYR, NYI, NJD, PHI, PIT

SE: CAR, NAS, WAS, TBL, FLA

Central: DET, CLB, CHI, STL, MIN

NW(I'd change the name to like Mountian or something): COL, WIN, DAL, EDM, CAL

Pacific: VAN, SJ, ANH, PHX, LA

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