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02-05-2011, 03:58 AM
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Re-do the 2010 Draft

Recognizing that it is preliminary and only a snap shot in time how might people, at this point, re-do last year's draft

Throw the following out as a starting point. Flame away

1. Skinner
2. Fowler
3. Hall
4. Sequin
5. Kuznetsov
6. Gudbranson
7. Burmistrov
8. Swartz
9. Johansen
10. Connolly

HM Neiderreiter, Campbell, Hishon

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02-05-2011, 04:17 AM
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Recognizing that it is preliminary and only a snap shot in time how might people, at this point, re-do last year's draft

Throw the following out as a starting point. Flame away

1. Skinner
2. Fowler
3. Hall
4. Sequin
5. Kuznetsov
6. Gudbranson
7. Burmistrov
8. Swartz
9. Johansen
10. Connolly

HM Neiderreiter, Campbell, Hishon
Good list except you're missing tarasenko who has it all. He has leadership abilities, clutch, can play at every situation. He has it all.i would also drop connolly out of top 10 he has dissapointed me everytime i've been able to watch him. Not sure if i would take skinner 1st maybe fowler but those guy are top 2. Fowler is already an +20min defenseman who can rack up points

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02-05-2011, 04:24 AM
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Hall
Seguin
Fowler
Skinner
Gudbranson

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02-05-2011, 04:28 AM
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Hall
Seguin
Fowler
Skinner
Gudbranson
Im a Florida fan and i just don't think Gudbranson should be Top 5.

The biggest risers are clearly the Russians (But we knew this would happen) and obviously Skinner and Fowler.

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02-05-2011, 06:34 AM
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1- Hall
2- Skinner
3- Fowler
4- Seguin
5- Kuznetsov
6- Gudbranson
7- Burmistrov
8- Tarasenko
9- Niedereiter
10- Shwarz

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02-05-2011, 07:22 AM
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Skinner
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02-05-2011, 08:32 AM
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They are still 18 or 19 years old and more than half of them aren't in the NHL...'nuff said

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02-05-2011, 08:32 AM
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Skinner
Hall
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02-05-2011, 08:38 AM
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You are aware that draft order is not based on who they think will adjust to the nhl faster but who will be the best player over the long term right ? Some teams do draft for nhl ready but usually not high end picks. This thread has little merit.

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02-05-2011, 09:46 AM
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1. Hall
2. Seguin
3. Fowler
4. Skinner
5. Johansen
6. Gudbranson
7. Kuznetsov
8. Burmistrov
9. Tarasenko
10. Connolly

11. Gormley
12. Niederreiter
13. Schwartz
14. Granlund
15. Campbell
16. Forbort
17. Watson
18. Howden
19. Hamilton
20. Bjugstad

21. Marincin
22. Hishon
23. Bennett
24. Coyle
25. Etem
26. Pitlick
27. Sheahan
28. Tinordi
29. Visentin
30. Merrill

HM: Petrovic, Toffoli, Spooner, Jarnkrok

Obviously you can see my Edmonton bias in there haha

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02-05-2011, 10:14 AM
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1. Hall
2. Seguin
3. Fowler
4. Skinner
5. Johansen
6. Gudbranson
7. Kuznetsov
8. Burmistrov
9. Tarasenko
10. Connolly

11. Gormley
12. Niederreiter
13. Schwartz
14. Granlund
15. Campbell
16. Forbort
17. Watson
18. Howden
19. Hamilton
20. Bjugstad

21. Marincin
22. Hishon
23. Bennett
24. Coyle
25. Etem
26. Pitlick
27. Sheahan
28. Tinordi
29. Visentin
30. Merrill

HM: Petrovic, Toffoli, Spooner, Jarnkrok

Obviously you can see my Edmonton bias in there haha
Tinordi should be nowhere neae the 1st round. Just an awful pick.

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02-05-2011, 10:33 AM
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You are aware that draft order is not based on who they think will adjust to the nhl faster but who will be the best player over the long term right ? Some teams do draft for nhl ready but usually not high end picks. This thread has little merit.
pretty much this.

However, I do think there would be no way Fowler drops out of the top 5, as well with Skinner.

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02-05-2011, 10:38 AM
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1. Hall
2. Skinner
3. Fowler
4. Seguin
5. Gudbranson
6. Johanssen
7. Taresenko
8. Burmistrov
9. Gormley
10. Granlund

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02-05-2011, 10:52 AM
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I dont see what makes swartz and connolly ahead of NINO. I wouldnt be mad if Toffoli was up there....But as far as production and NHL sucses i agree.....you could even make a case that Skinner and Fowler are more of a 1a and 1b rather than 1&2

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02-05-2011, 11:17 AM
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I don't see how Kuznetsov goes before Tarasenko.

Tarasenko went i think 9 spots ahead of him in the draft and I have a hard time believing Kuznetsov has done anything to be picked over Tarasenko. Both had great WJC, but if you watch the gold medal game, Tarasenko was the catalyst to the come back by the Russians.

He is more complete then Kuznetsov, and has high end potential.

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02-05-2011, 11:49 AM
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I don't see how Kuznetsov goes before Tarasenko.

Tarasenko went i think 9 spots ahead of him in the draft and I have a hard time believing Kuznetsov has done anything to be picked over Tarasenko. Both had great WJC, but if you watch the gold medal game, Tarasenko was the catalyst to the come back by the Russians.

He is more complete then Kuznetsov, and has high end potential.
It depends on who is doing the drafting. McKenzie stated that there were some GMs that had Kuznetsov above Tarasenko and Burmistrov BEFORE the draft, so I'm sure that their opinions haven't changed by what's transpired since then.

Also, I really don't understand this "Tarasenko was the catalyst" for the Russians comeback in the gold medal game talk. He didn't factor in either of the first two goals (Kuznetsov had the primary assist on the second goal; a play that he pretty much created off of a rush), and the game tying goal he scored was a play that Kuznetsov probably deserves the preponderance of credit for creating. If you're talking about on ice play that game, it would seem to me that Kuznetsov was at least as important a component of the actual rally as Tarasenko. Perhaps you are referring to the fact that Tarasenko provided an emotional lift for the team by coming back from a seemingly serious injury, and that's fair to point out, but the actual, on ice damage done to rally the Russians was a load shared by a few players.

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02-05-2011, 12:21 PM
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I can't say I follow prospects all that much but from the lists posted so far I'm surprised that:

1. El Nino falls off everyone's Top 10.
2. Toffoli is in nobody's Top 30.

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02-05-2011, 12:59 PM
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It depends on who is doing the drafting. McKenzie stated that there were some GMs that had Kuznetsov above Tarasenko and Burmistrov BEFORE the draft, so I'm sure that their opinions haven't changed by what's transpired since then.

Also, I really don't understand this "Tarasenko was the catalyst" for the Russians comeback in the gold medal game talk. He didn't factor in either of the first two goals (Kuznetsov had the primary assist on the second goal; a play that he pretty much created off of a rush), and the game tying goal he scored was a play that Kuznetsov probably deserves the preponderance of credit for creating. If you're talking about on ice play that game, it would seem to me that Kuznetsov was at least as important a component of the actual rally as Tarasenko. Perhaps you are referring to the fact that Tarasenko provided an emotional lift for the team by coming back from a seemingly serious injury, and that's fair to point out, but the actual, on ice damage done to rally the Russians was a load shared by a few players.
I posted this a while ago in the "Kuznetsov >>> Tarasenko?" thread so I'll just post it again here.



Look @ 3:48, Tarasenko makes a nice simple play to pass it up to Sobchenko, and creates a good scoring chance.

(It should also be noted that Tarasenko was killing penalties for team Russia)

@ 4:03, Russia scores, Tarasenko doesn't have a huge impact on the play but he is still on the ice when the goal is scored.

@ 5:40, Okay, Kuznetsov made a really nice play here and a great pass to Tarasenko, and Tarasenko finishes.

@ 6:41, Tarasenko beats out two canadian defense-man to get the puck through and makes a nice pass in the slot, creating another great scoring chance.

And then shortly after, the same shift, @ 7:02, Tarasenko makes a great play and another great pass in the slot, and gives Russia what ends up being the game winning goal for the gold medal.

Just watching him play during the tournament you could tell he was a step above everybody else on his team and above most players even on team Canada.

I just feel like Tarasenko was more important to the team then Kuznetsov. I have a hard time believing Russia would win gold without Tarasenko.

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02-05-2011, 01:10 PM
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Just watching him play during the tournament you could tell he was a step above everybody else on his team and above most players even on team Canada.

I just feel like Tarasenko was more important to the team then Kuznetsov. I have a hard time believing Russia would win gold without Tarasenko.
It makes no sense to sit here and debate calcified, subjective judgments. You think that he was a step above everyone on his team, the voters for the all-tournament team disagreed (I do too.) We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I also don't doubt that Russia probably doesn't win gold without Tarasenko, but they damn sure wouldn't have won it without Kuznetsov. They wouldn't even have medaled.

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To those who think Fowler deserves to be top-5: I don't think he'd be doing nearly as well as he is without the benefit of being in Anaheim under the tutelage of Niedermeyer.

I'd say that, if the Jackets drafted him, he'd be back in the OHL this year and his development would be severely hampered.

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I love how the OP doesn't even have Tarasenko as an honorable mention.


I also love how there hasn't been a single poster that has spelled "Schwartz" correctly. No one has even come close.

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02-05-2011, 02:15 PM
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1. Hall
2. Fowler
3. Skinner
4. Sequin
5. Johansen
6. Kuznetsov
7. Tarasenko
8. Burmistrov
9.Nino
10. Gudbranson

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No love for hishon and toffoli

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1. Hall
2. Seguin
3. Fowler
4. Skinner
5. Schwartz
6. Tarasenko
7. Burmistrov
8. Johansen
9. Kuznetsov
10. Merril

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02-06-2011, 08:34 AM
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1. Hall.
2. Skinner.
3. Fowler.

Fowler isnt very physical but neither is Listrom and both are very discplined players.

Carolina also came out big winners ahead of Boston who picked Seguin.
Skinner will be an allstar for years to come.

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