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11-28-2012, 03:07 PM
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11-28-2012, 04:14 PM
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I don't get why Kesler is in so many trade proposals from Canuck fans.

Selke winner and playoff beast. A guy that brings a clutch element to the post-season..something the Canucks lack to begin with...and we trade him away for futures...

What a stupid idea.

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11-28-2012, 05:22 PM
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The Canucks would trade Kesler in a heartbeat for a top-3 pick in this upcoming draft. Mackinnon, Jones, and Barkov are all 1) good positional fits on that team (#1C or #1RHD) and 2) NHL ready so they would still help Vancouver now. Then add Brassard, who's a decent #2C already... It'd be dumb to turn that down.

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11-29-2012, 01:38 AM
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If Columbus picked first overall who would you take?

Not that shoot-first center Nathan Mackinnon, right?
MacKinnon is much more than a shoot first player. What a ridiculous argument.

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11-29-2012, 07:38 AM
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I don't get why Kesler is in so many trade proposals from Canuck fans.

Selke winner and playoff beast. A guy that brings a clutch element to the post-season..something the Canucks lack to begin with...and we trade him away for futures...

What a stupid idea.
Classic case of "so what have you done for me lately?" Kesler did not beast through the playoffs, and therefore "sucked." Fans making proposals with him involved are frankly, delusional. He has limited value market wise due to injuries but near untouchable status for the Nucks. It will never happen.

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The Canucks would trade Kesler in a heartbeat for a top-3 pick in this upcoming draft. Mackinnon, Jones, and Barkov are all 1) good positional fits on that team (#1C or #1RHD) and 2) NHL ready so they would still help Vancouver now. Then add Brassard, who's a decent #2C already... It'd be dumb to turn that down.
No, we would not. Vancouver is in a win now mode. MacKinnon could take time to develop, something the Sedins do not have. With a good portion of our roster in their thirties. We cannot chance a pick, regardless of what position, might delay to the point of risking our window. MacKinnon may be NHL ready but not anywhere near to the caliber of Kesler. Two years in and you cannot yet make that comparison for Hall and Seguin.

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11-29-2012, 09:59 AM
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Keslers injury "problems" are way overblown.

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11-29-2012, 10:02 AM
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The Canucks would trade Kesler in a heartbeat for a top-3 pick in this upcoming draft. Mackinnon, Jones, and Barkov are all 1) good positional fits on that team (#1C or #1RHD) and 2) NHL ready so they would still help Vancouver now. Then add Brassard, who's a decent #2C already... It'd be dumb to turn that down.
The only way I'd do that if the Canucks were out of the playoffs. We're looking to win our first cup in franchise history and I dont think Mike Gillis is going to trade his all around most dominant player. No point.

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11-29-2012, 10:04 AM
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The Canucks are well rested and the entire league should be scared. Last year they had played a ton of games and came off a grueling playoff run in which they only had three weeks of rest in between. I'm expecting big things from this team and they aren't trading Kesler.

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11-29-2012, 11:22 AM
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RJ Umberger and Ryan Kesler hate each other. To acquire Kesler would mean sending Umberger back, or else sending him elsewhere entirely.

That's not even considering the rest of the idea.
Quoted for emphasis.

Makes discussion of the value of the trade for CBJ-VAN almost moot. I say almost, so that I can indicate that Columbus is not sending its first-rounder in a trade, along with other pieces of reasonable value, for Kesler, despite the fact that I think RK is pretty awesome.

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11-29-2012, 07:03 PM
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I'll counter on the Van-Wsh proposal.

Mike Green + Joel Ward for Keith Ballard + David Booth

Van get a 1RD to pair with Hamhuis or Edler, Ward is a solid 3rd liner getting paid a little too much. Caps get a struggling top-4 D-man and a top-6 winger for Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Van:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Higgins
Hansen-Malhotra-Ward
Weise-Lapierre-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Green
Garrison-Tanev

Caps:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Booth
Laich-Ribeiro-Wolski
Chimera-Johansson-Brouwer
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Alzner-Carlson
Ballard-Orlov
Hamrlik-Hillen

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11-29-2012, 08:40 PM
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I'll counter on the Van-Wsh proposal.

Mike Green + Joel Ward for Keith Ballard + David Booth

Van get a 1RD to pair with Hamhuis or Edler, Ward is a solid 3rd liner getting paid a little too much. Caps get a struggling top-4 D-man and a top-6 winger for Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Van:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Higgins
Hansen-Malhotra-Ward
Weise-Lapierre-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Green
Garrison-Tanev

Caps:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Booth
Laich-Ribeiro-Wolski
Chimera-Johansson-Brouwer
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Alzner-Carlson
Ballard-Orlov
Hamrlik-Hillen
I'd do it.

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11-29-2012, 09:08 PM
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I'll counter on the Van-Wsh proposal.

Mike Green + Joel Ward for Keith Ballard + David Booth

Van get a 1RD to pair with Hamhuis or Edler, Ward is a solid 3rd liner getting paid a little too much. Caps get a struggling top-4 D-man and a top-6 winger for Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Van:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Higgins
Hansen-Malhotra-Ward
Weise-Lapierre-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Green
Garrison-Tanev

Caps:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Booth
Laich-Ribeiro-Wolski
Chimera-Johansson-Brouwer
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Alzner-Carlson
Ballard-Orlov
Hamrlik-Hillen
Why in the world would the Caps do this? Are you sure you know who David Booth is?

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11-29-2012, 09:38 PM
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Why in the world would the Caps do this? Are you sure you know who David Booth is?
I feel like Booth is under-rated...

The trade is horribly lopsided for Vancouver, though..i agree with that.

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11-29-2012, 09:59 PM
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I feel like Booth is under-rated...

The trade is horribly lopsided for Vancouver, though..i agree with that.
I think there's some residual over-rating from the 08-09 season. He's never broken 40 points in any other season.

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11-29-2012, 10:10 PM
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Why in the world would the Caps do this? Are you sure you know who David Booth is?
Clearly we got your GM drunk if that deal was ever accepted.

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11-29-2012, 10:17 PM
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Classic case of "so what have you done for me lately?" Kesler did not beast through the playoffs, and therefore "sucked." Fans making proposals with him involved are frankly, delusional. He has limited value market wise due to injuries but near untouchable status for the Nucks. It will never happen
Nope, maybe other fans. I've voiced my displeasure about Kesler for over 2 years now.

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I'll counter on the Van-Wsh proposal.

Mike Green + Joel Ward for Keith Ballard + David Booth

Van get a 1RD to pair with Hamhuis or Edler, Ward is a solid 3rd liner getting paid a little too much. Caps get a struggling top-4 D-man and a top-6 winger for Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Van:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Higgins
Hansen-Malhotra-Ward
Weise-Lapierre-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Green
Garrison-Tanev

Caps:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Booth
Laich-Ribeiro-Wolski
Chimera-Johansson-Brouwer
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Alzner-Carlson
Ballard-Orlov
Hamrlik-Hillen
No trade backs.

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11-30-2012, 01:34 AM
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I'll counter on the Van-Wsh proposal.

Mike Green + Joel Ward for Keith Ballard + David Booth

Van get a 1RD to pair with Hamhuis or Edler, Ward is a solid 3rd liner getting paid a little too much. Caps get a struggling top-4 D-man and a top-6 winger for Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Van:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Higgins
Hansen-Malhotra-Ward
Weise-Lapierre-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Green
Garrison-Tanev

Caps:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Booth
Laich-Ribeiro-Wolski
Chimera-Johansson-Brouwer
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Alzner-Carlson
Ballard-Orlov
Hamrlik-Hillen
Yeah...Yeah?

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I'd do it.
Yes, all kinds of yes.

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Why in the world would the Caps do this? Are you sure you know who David Booth is?
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I think there's some residual over-rating from the 08-09 season. He's never broken 40 points in any other season.
He's not bad by any stretch, but he has been under performing for the skill he actually shows.

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Clearly we got your GM drunk if that deal was ever accepted.
Wouldn't go that far...but yeah, I'd be lying if I said the Canucks wouldn't do this.

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No trade backs.
Yeah, seconded.

I don't know how Vancouver would shoot that down, but yeah...I've quoted everyone because...like...yeah, I really don't see Caps fans liking this one. Booth our guys get a bad rap and all, and are definitely underrated, but...am I over rating Green that badly?

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11-30-2012, 02:29 AM
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Canucks wouldn't trade the engine of their team for futures. They politely decline the first offer and request you stop throwing around Kesler's name.

The second offer is quite good value. I believe Caps fans would hate the deal because it takes away youth - and youth is rated very highly by fans. And Vancouver wouldn't like the deal either, because it takes away the engine of their team, and they trying to win now, so youth isn't so valuable for them. And even though Johansson and Carlson are very good young players, I personally would want to wait at least another couple years to see if they reach near Kesler's level before I would consider moving Kesler for them. But I like them both, and they both have really high value.

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I'll counter on the Van-Wsh proposal.

Mike Green + Joel Ward for Keith Ballard + David Booth

Van get a 1RD to pair with Hamhuis or Edler, Ward is a solid 3rd liner getting paid a little too much. Caps get a struggling top-4 D-man and a top-6 winger for Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Van:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Higgins
Hansen-Malhotra-Ward
Weise-Lapierre-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Green
Garrison-Tanev

Caps:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Booth
Laich-Ribeiro-Wolski
Chimera-Johansson-Brouwer
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Alzner-Carlson
Ballard-Orlov
Hamrlik-Hillen
That seems like a pretty fair deal, considering Ballard's value right now is far lower than his ability/skill level. Mike Green would work great beside Edler and Booth would work great beside Backstrom.

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Canucks will not be trading Kesler. A healthy Kelser IS our 2nd line. We're also not rebuilding so picks and prospects aren't needed.

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I'll counter on the Van-Wsh proposal.

Mike Green + Joel Ward for Keith Ballard + David Booth

Van get a 1RD to pair with Hamhuis or Edler, Ward is a solid 3rd liner getting paid a little too much. Caps get a struggling top-4 D-man and a top-6 winger for Ovechkin and Backstrom.

Van:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Higgins
Hansen-Malhotra-Ward
Weise-Lapierre-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Green
Garrison-Tanev

Caps:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Booth
Laich-Ribeiro-Wolski
Chimera-Johansson-Brouwer
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb

Alzner-Carlson
Ballard-Orlov
Hamrlik-Hillen

Are you countering this offer as a fan of the caps? I hope not, because I still wouldn't touch this deal if I was GMGM. The only player I would want on Van, as a caps fan, is Kesler, and I'm pretty sure they would want an overpayment for him. I just don't see Van and the Caps being good trade partners, but that could just be me.

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I'll counter on the Van-Wsh proposal.

Mike Green + Joel Ward for Keith Ballard + David Booth
No. Replace Booth with more enticing piece and it could be made. Kesler maybe. Both Kesler and Green have had their fair share of injury problems, while both Ballard and Ward are overpaid. I'd say it's a lateral move and I don't think Caps should go for it. I'd not "sell low" on Green. At this point it looks like Caps are one defenseman away from having their D all set for many years, so I'd not sell any defenseman at this point.

Alzner - Carlson
X - Green
Orlov - Wey
Kundratek, Schilling, Rissling, Schultz (lol)

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No. Replace Booth with more enticing piece and it could be made. Kesler maybe. Both Kesler and Green have had their fair share of injury problems, while both Ballard and Ward are overpaid. I'd say it's a lateral move and I don't think Caps should go for it. I'd not "sell low" on Green. At this point it looks like Caps are one defenseman away from having their D all set for many years, so I'd not sell any defenseman at this point.

Alzner - Carlson
X - Green
Orlov - Wey
Kundratek, Schilling, Rissling, Schultz (lol)
I agree it's an underpayment, but the price for Kesler, from a Caps fans perspective, was set a few months ago at Green+Johansson+(I think it was a second round pick or some approximation) for Kesler+Ballard.

Probably an overpayment, but we have 0 interest in moving Kesler.

As for the Ward+Green for Ballard+Booth, I don't think Washington should accept that. I mean, I'd be willing to fire a pick back or take additional salary back, or even both. That'd be a sweet heart deal for the Canucks.

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12-07-2012, 10:45 PM
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What about this trade:
Roberto Luongo, Manny Malholtra, Zack Kassian, Jannik Hansen & Keith Ballard
for
Steve Mason, R.J. Umburger, Artem Anisimov, Colton Gillies, Cody Bass, Adrian Aucoin, John Moore, Theo Ruth, Drew Olson a 1st


Canucks dump salary from Lou and get a capable backup that can play probably 20-30 games, and upgrade on defense short & long term and also upgrade their depth.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Higgins Kesler Raymond
Booth Anisimov Umburger
Volpatti Lapierre Gillies

Edler Hamhuis
Garrison Bieksa
Aucoin Alberts
Tanev Moore

Schneider
Mason


Blue Jackets finally get a bonafide #1 goalie. They add some grit and youth to their lineup. They become a more defense oriented team. They are also a tougher team to play against with Foligno, Kassian, Malholtra, Hansen, Boll, and Dorsett.

Foligno Dubinsky Hansen
Prospal Johansen Kassian
Russell Brassard Dorsett
Boll Malholtra Atkinson

Johnson Tyutin
Wisniewski Murray
Ballard Nikitin
Savard Erixon

Loungo
Bobrovsky

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Wow. I think it's way too complicated with too many pieces to be plausible. I really can't even comment on value, I don't know enough about the Jackets players.

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Wow. I think it's way too complicated with too many pieces to be plausible. I really can't even comment on value, I don't know enough about the Jackets players.
What happened to the days of big trades?
Essentially this trade gives the canucks what they want. They get a first round pick. They get prospects (Moore, Ruth, Olson, Bass) They dump Ballard and Loungo's Salary. They get a veteran guy whos been around the leauge a long time in Adrian Aucoin.

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