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When was the last time an NHL team won a Cup without having an elite #1 Center

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11-26-2013, 03:31 PM
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When was the last time an NHL team won a Cup without having an elite #1 Center

Was it the 2003 Devils ?

Gomez, Nieuwendyk & Madden as there top 3 Centers ... 41, 45 & 55 points

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11-26-2013, 03:41 PM
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Bruins Bergeron - He's fantastic two-way but not Crosby offensively
Hurricanes - Eric Staal? He was pretty good but not all-world
Habs had what, Damphousse for one run? He was quite good but I wouldn't call "elite"

The usual trope is that you need two of elite g, d, c to win a Cup, but I'd love to see a team just spear and clutch and grab and trip their way up there with little talent. That would be amazing.

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11-26-2013, 03:43 PM
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11-26-2013, 03:43 PM
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Bruins, they had/have 2 #1 centers, but niether are elite.

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Krejci had what 21+ points in the playoffs. What more would you expect from a #1 that would make him unqualified to fit that description?

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11-26-2013, 03:46 PM
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I'd say the Bruins.

Krejci was elite in the playoffs, but he's not an elite #1C. He's a 60-70 point center.

Bergeron was more of a 2nd line center in 2011. He's just recently gotten back to his pre-concussion form. You could argue he's elite now, but he wasn't "elite" in 2011.

Two really good first line centers but no elite guy.

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11-26-2013, 03:50 PM
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Krejci is definitely an elite playoff performer. Idk how you could not call him elite considering hes led the playoffs in scoring twice now.

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Bruins Bergeron - He's fantastic two-way but not Crosby offensively
Hurricanes - Eric Staal? He was pretty good but not all-world
Habs had what, Damphousse for one run? He was quite good but I wouldn't call "elite"

The usual trope is that you need two of elite g, d, c to win a Cup, but I'd love to see a team just spear and clutch and grab and trip their way up there with little talent. That would be amazing.
Staal scored 100 points the year the Canes won the cup. I'd say he was an elite, other worldly, #1 centre.

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Bruins don't count. Krejci played like an elite center in the playoffs that year, so in effect the Bruins won a cup with an elite center.

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Bruins are the only recent ones?

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When I tell this to fellow Leafs fans, they tell me having Bozak as #1 Center isn't a problem on the path to winning the cup.

Sounds like Bruins. But Krejci and Bergeron both are very good centers. Not elite, but very very good.

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The ducks? Getzlaf didn't become a one until the year after.

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The ducks? Getzlaf didn't become a one until the year after.
their first line was kunitz, mcdonald, and selanne. mcdonald was definitely a number 1 center that year they one the cup.

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The ducks? Getzlaf didn't become a one until the year after.
Yeah but healthy Andy McDonald was terrifying.

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If we're talking about elite #1 centers, there are a few that come to mind, but those teams definitely had #1 centers, and they were stronger in other areas to make up the difference.

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I'd say Bergeron was elite in the defensive aspect of the game, no ?

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Krejci led the playoff for centers in the year he won the cup and the year he lost the cup.

He beat out H.Sedin and Toews in those years.
He may not be a regular season #1 center, but in the playoffs that is a different story.

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Krejci had what 21+ points in the playoffs. What more would you expect from a #1 that would make him unqualified to fit that description?
Just because a player has one elite post season does not make them an elite #1 center.

I would say regular 30+ goal seasons and/or 70+ point seasons is a requirement for an elite #1 center. Krejci has had 1 70+ point season and no 30+ goal seasons.

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Bruins Bergeron - He's fantastic two-way but not Crosby offensively
Hurricanes - Eric Staal? He was pretty good but not all-world
Habs had what, Damphousse for one run? He was quite good but I wouldn't call "elite"

The usual trope is that you need two of elite g, d, c to win a Cup, but I'd love to see a team just spear and clutch and grab and trip their way up there with little talent. That would be amazing.
He had over 100 points that season...

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Just because a player has one elite post season does not make them an elite #1 center.

I would say regular 30+ goal seasons and/or 70+ point seasons is a requirement for an elite #1 center. Krejci has had 1 70+ point season and no 30+ goal seasons.
Well good thing Krejci has had two elite post seasons.

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I'd say Bergeron was elite in the defensive aspect of the game, no ?
And possibly the best Face-off guy in the League. And Krejci as elite because that's how he plays in the Playoffs; he's just not "elite" Regular Season.

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disagree with the bruins comments

just cause there centers are slept on doesnt mean they arnt elite

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Are point totals all that matters? I'd take a Bergeron/Krejci duo over most number one centers. I understand that wasn't the question but Boston did have a number one center in both players(Krejci is an animal come playoff time)

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i dont think either bergeron or krejci are elite, neither is kopitar. although my standards for elite are a lot higher than most. i mean if krejci/bergeron are elite than theres gotta be like 30-40 elite players in the nhl, thats ridiculous.

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i dont think either bergeron or krejci are elite, neither is kopitar. although my standards for elite are a lot higher than most.
Who would you consider elite? Currently.

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