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12-18-2012, 01:09 PM
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So What are your guy's expectations Maxim Shalunov for this tournament? Do you expect him to contribute? Also, how much points, if you were to guess?


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12-18-2012, 01:11 PM
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do you guys have any guesses on the starting goalie?
Makarov.

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12-18-2012, 02:22 PM
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Makarov.
I think that on the big ice Vasilevsky would be a better choice.

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12-18-2012, 02:46 PM
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Whats Zlobins chances of making the team?

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12-18-2012, 03:19 PM
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I think that on the big ice Vasilevsky would be a better choice.
In my opinion, Vasilevsky would be a better choice against an European team and Makarov would be a better choice against a NA team. They would probably start Vasilevsky against Slovakia and Makarov against the US. I personally think that Makarov has better chances to become a starting goalie for the do-or-die games.

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12-18-2012, 03:31 PM
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Makarov's supposed clutchness is completely overrated and is an illusion, in my opinion.

I really hope he will not be the starter nor co-starter.

He has had some good games for Russia, yes. But it's a very small sample size.

Vasilevski is a much better goaltender. This is what should matter.

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12-18-2012, 03:53 PM
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Makarov's supposed clutchness is completely overrated and is an illusion, in my opinion.

I really hope he will not be the starter nor co-starter.

He has had some good games for Russia, yes. But it's a very small sample size.

Vasilevski is a much better goaltender. This is what should matter.
You base you're opinion of Makarov on what? His playing with Saskatoon? If you haven't noticed he changes into a complete new goaltender when he puts on the Russia jersey.

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12-18-2012, 04:00 PM
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Vasilevski is a much better goaltender. This is what should matter.
I still can't forget the last year's semifinal game and 4 goals in 5 minutes.

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12-18-2012, 04:09 PM
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I still can't forget the last year's semifinal game and 4 goals in 5 minutes.
You also cant forget the fact vasilevski faced 40 shots from the swiss, 30 vs latvia, 55 vs sweden, then the next day faced 40 vs the czechs and another 50 vs canada before being pulled. so he was fatigued. However Makarov is still beyond elite. I personally would pick Vasha but either way they are set in net. Depends on who plays better in the group stage. I imagine one goalie will play vs usa and the other will play vs canada. Whoever has the better game will be starter in the knockout rounds. waiting game

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12-18-2012, 04:36 PM
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You also cant forget the fact vasilevski faced
And we don't really know what stats Makarov would have had if he played all these games. But we know for sure that he stopped 57 shots in the final game against Sweden. I know that Vasilevski is a very good goalie and Iím not questioning his skills and abilities, Iím just saying that Makarov would be a better choice in this particular tournament. In my opinion Makarov is a better goalie against a NA team, and we have two NA teams in our group.

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12-18-2012, 04:37 PM
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You also cant forget the fact vasilevski faced 40 shots from the swiss, 30 vs latvia, 55 vs sweden, then the next day faced 40 vs the czechs and another 50 vs canada before being pulled. so he was fatigued. However Makarov is still beyond elite. I personally would pick Vasha but either way they are set in net. Depends on who plays better in the group stage. I imagine one goalie will play vs usa and the other will play vs canada. Whoever has the better game will be starter in the knockout rounds. waiting game
Yes, that's how I think things are going to shake down as well. In any case, once you get to those pressure cooker elimination games, it will be good for Russia to know they have a basically a second starter on the bench they can bring in if the first guy falters. They've beat Canada the last two times using the baseball format "starter and reliever" system. Maybe that will become the next great hockey tactic.

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12-18-2012, 05:00 PM
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What? Kosov can be a great 2nd line player at junior level if used correctly...or a monster on the 3rd. Russia doesn't have too many guys who can skate, play defense, hit and do the dirty work and still have the talent to keep up with the elites.

These top 2 lines would be great

Slepyshev - Grigorenko - Kucherov
Kosov - (Sigarev/Khokhlachev) - Yakpuov
I agree with your respect for Kosov, but I wouldn't be surprised if Varnakov decides to keep the Sigarev-Khokhlachev-Yakupov line from the SSS together. They developed great chemistry together, and toward the end of the series were flying around as if they had been on the same line all their lives.

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12-18-2012, 05:14 PM
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You base you're opinion of Makarov on what? His playing with Saskatoon? If you haven't noticed he changes into a complete new goaltender when he puts on the Russia jersey.
At least Makarov's play in Saskatoon isn't a small sample size.

Stop being silly. There is no evidence that Makarov will do anything special at this tournament.

He was poor in the last exhibition game.

One thing about Makarov that is true based on past performance is that he is extremely streaky. And this is confirmed by his play in the WHL. But this only means that he might be due to be terrible.

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12-18-2012, 05:17 PM
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You also cant forget the fact vasilevski faced 40 shots from the swiss, 30 vs latvia, 55 vs sweden, then the next day faced 40 vs the czechs and another 50 vs canada before being pulled. so he was fatigued. However Makarov is still beyond elite. I personally would pick Vasha but either way they are set in net. Depends on who plays better in the group stage. I imagine one goalie will play vs usa and the other will play vs canada. Whoever has the better game will be starter in the knockout rounds. waiting game
Uh, no.

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12-18-2012, 05:22 PM
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I'm loving the top two lines. Great depth up front this year. Stick Kosov on the third line and that line will be dangerous with plenty of speed.

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12-18-2012, 05:29 PM
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Looking forward to seeing Vasilevski, Yakupov, Grigorenko and Zlobin in this tournament.

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12-18-2012, 06:00 PM
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So What are your guy's expectations Maxim Shalunov for this tournament? Do you expect him to contribute? Also, how much points, if you were to guess?
Anybody?

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12-18-2012, 06:09 PM
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I have to ask, I don't know much about the Russian roster but I've seen quite a few names that aren't on this list taken in wjc pools

http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=1651

I'm assuming this list is just totally wrong?

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12-18-2012, 06:44 PM
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Anybody?
don't know what to tell you, if he's playing the third line - mostly shut down - who knows...I am sure he will contribute somewhat, but there are players of higher offensive caliber.

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12-18-2012, 06:48 PM
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I have to ask, I don't know much about the Russian roster but I've seen quite a few names that aren't on this list taken in wjc pools

http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=1651

I'm assuming this list is just totally wrong?
looks right to me...

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12-18-2012, 07:43 PM
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At least Makarov's play in Saskatoon isn't a small sample size.

Stop being silly. There is no evidence that Makarov will do anything special at this tournament.

He was poor in the last exhibition game.

One thing about Makarov that is true based on past performance is that he is extremely streaky. And this is confirmed by his play in the WHL. But this only means that he might be due to be terrible.
Makarov has been great for Russia, and Vasilevski has also been great, and equally streaky. Vasilevski's weakness is long, high shots from the outside, while he is amazing at making stops in close that are on the ice. On the big ice, the long, high shot shouldn't be as problematic as it is on NA rinks. I think Vasilevski has a slight edge, but a short leash.

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I don't know much about the Russian D this year. Who would be the Top shutdown guy? the PP Quarterback? Is there a true number 1 Dman on this roster? Or will it be more of a defence by committee approach?

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looks right to me...
No Sigarev/Slepyshev?

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No Sigarev/Slepyshev?
than it is wrong, lol

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Thank goodness, I drafted both of them in my WJC pool. LOL

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