I like Biggs, but we traded a first round pick and a second round pick to get him.
Rickard Rakell and John Gibson were the results.
Not according to Bob McKenzie. #15 on his list. Plus, does the fact the vaunted Detroit Red Wings traded down as soon as Biggs was picked, as reported by many, mean anything to you?
Not according to Bob McKenzie. #15 on his list. Plus, does the fact the vaunted Detroit Red Wings traded down as soon as Biggs was picked, as reported by many, mean anything to you?
Not at all, I just simply answered the question as to where he was ranked.
I Like Biggs......I just corrected people who use his name in the Boston trade with Kabs, as we gave up a second round pick which turns out to be John Gibson to get him.
Since Brian Burke has taken over as GM of the Toronto Maple leafs.
Only 3 teams have failed to make the playoffs.
The aforementioned Toronto Maple Leafs
The New York Islanders
The Edmonton Oilers
Of these teams only one has not been able to improve their prospect pool rankings - it should be pretty apparent what team that is -
If you compare this team to the other 29 in NHL its alarmingly clear that no team has been as MISMANAGED during that time span as the Toronto Maple Leafs have by Brian Burke.
Its even debatable if we are better off today than we were under JFJ. Who's rein could be one of the worst in this franchises history.
No improvement in the standings
No improvement in the prospect pool
While the 29 other teams all show signs of improvement in either category.
[Fans] see the names Kessel/Phaneuf - Realists see past their relative star-power - they see a **** roster - they see a prospect pool that is leaps and bounds behind where it should be (9 seasons of missing the playoffs - 2 of the last 4 years as a lottery pick team - 4 straight seasons picking bottom 10)
Lets move the debate from Burke vs JFJ ... lets start looking at the teams that still exist - the ones we actually compete against.
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Not according to Bob McKenzie. #15 on his list. Plus, does the fact the vaunted Detroit Red Wings traded down as soon as Biggs was picked, as reported by many, mean anything to you?
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Biggs is No. 22 on Central Scouting's final ranking of North American skaters for the 2011 Entry Draft, a drop of 17 spots from his No. 5 position in the mid-term rakings, released in January.
Sounds like he was thought of very highly at one point.
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Not at all, I just simply answered the question as to where he was ranked.
I Like Biggs......I just corrected people who use his name in the Boston trade with Kabs, as we gave up a second round pick which turns out to be John Gibson to get him.
YOU see I like saying the trade as it happened.
Kaberle for Colborne + 1st + conditional 2nd.
We got the 2nd so in essense Kaberle did pay for Biggs.
Sounds like he was thought of very highly at one point.
YOU see I like saying the trade as it happened.
Kaberle for Colborne + 1st + conditional 2nd.
We got the 2nd so in essense Kaberle did pay for Biggs.
We traded our 2nd and Bostons First to move up in the draft 8 spots .....you can say what ever you want to say as is your right, but Kabs did not pay for Biggs. So Biggs should not be mentioned as part of the Kabs trade.
I find this laughable when people say that we Traded Seguin, Hamilton and Knight for Kessel, you state that we did not.....and that was the real results of the trade, yet you have no problem mentioning Biggs as part of the Kabs trade when that was not the results of that trade.....
The options you present are not the the full option....as we gave up Boston's first and our Second to Draft Biggs. So it would have to be at least Rickard Rakell and John Gibson or Biggs as that was the results of that trade.
At this point I would take Rickard Rakell and John Gibson over just Biggs.
PS I do not believe we have a great deal of goaltending depth as well.
According to Hockeys Future, John Gibson's scouting report suggests his probability of success is actually lower than Scrivens', and Rakell over Biggs is really just a matter of personal opinion. Mine is that Biggs is the type of asset Toronto has a place for in the not too distant future. He's a character kid with a lot of tangibles and clearly, he was the guy Burke wanted. That he moved up to make the pick suggests that he had intel that he wouldnt be there when the Leafs picked. And 2 picks later, DET flipped the 24th (one pick ahead of TOR's selection) to OTT for a pair of 2nds, which pretty much indicates DET missed out on picking Biggs. It was a good, proactive decision to ensure they got the guy they wanted. You disagree, so what. Hardly irrefutable evidence that Burke mishandled his picks. Quite the opposite, actually. It's this type of perpetual, whiny finger pointing that makes the staunch anti-Burke set appear irrational.
The Players have to play. The Coaches have to coach. Burke's job is to bring in he best poeple available. Recognizing talent and then actually being able to bring them in is what he gets credit for.
the players have to play, and the coaches have to coach, and the gm is responsible and accountable for the entire team's results. it doesn't matter if the results are good or bad, the gm is still responsible and accountable.
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FALSE!!!
IF you had read an earlier response to DAveT83 where he made the same BS made -up statement you would already know.
I'm on record on these boards saying Burke doesn't deserve all the credit he gets for the win in Anaheim.
Guess you'll be ignoring that one.
so now he doesn't get much credit for his stanley cup? are you ultimately saying it doesn't really matter who the gm is, or what the gm does?
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AS I said above Recognizing talent and actually getting it here is Burke's job. How they do on the ice is up to them and the coaching staff.
how you know if he's recognized talent and brought the right talent on board if you don't judge it by the on-ice results?
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Ofcourse if it turns out good you're going to call it a good trade.
but if it turns out bad, you're not going to call it a bad trade. the world doesn't work that way.
