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Owner-Player meeting only, no Bettman or Fehr (UPD: 12/4 in NYC)

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12-02-2012, 04:22 PM
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The fact that it's taken four days to even organise a meeting is a joke.

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The fact that it's taken four days to even organise a meeting is a joke.

700 guys on two continents, some even playing in other leagues? Maybe the PA is doing their due diligence and doesn't rush to decisions to placate the media and pro-NHL critics.

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You make it seem like the PA are deers in the headlights and can't do anything about it. If they want some control, they need to get off their ass and do something more then nothing.

Like sign the NHL's offer to take a massive reduction in share AND give up major contracting rights? With your kind of negotiating, they could save themselves millions of dollars and not bother paying their association fees. Then again, if they just end up capitulating again, they'll lose a hell of a lot of money, credibility and may need to bring Saskin back to just organize the NHL's papers for them.

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12-02-2012, 04:26 PM
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To get back to the point at hand the only con to meeting (for both sides) is to inadvertently indicate willingness to concede something on the table. But given that no agreement would be coming out of this meeting it's worth the risk imo.

Even if the other side knows your 'weakness' it's an opportunity to move beyond the fixed positions.

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12-02-2012, 04:57 PM
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I've used this analogy a few times

You work for a big company. Overall, your company makes money.
But you've got some departments struggling. Do you cut everyone's pay so all departments are profitable.
Most companies wouldn't make such a demand. They would decide whether or not it was worth financing the money-losing departments.

And if it was worth it for the long term growth of the company, they'd accept lower profits to invest.
Overall, your company makes money, but most of that money is made in a very small number of departments. The departments which struggle usually change over the years, so besides those small number of departments which are always in the black, the majority of departments are either struggling, have struggled at some point in the past, or are break-even style, which is a fine line away from struggling. Since a fair number of departments go through tough times at some point, the company has to look and see if there are systematic problems with the way the company is set up. That usually involves salary reviews or layoffs as the first step.

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12-02-2012, 05:01 PM
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Good - the meetings set for Tuesday

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NHL expects these owners to be in meeting: Ron Burkle, Mark Chipman, Murray Edwards, Jeremy Jacobs, Larry Tanenbaum and Jeff Vinik.
What does everyone think of this group? Having up close experience with Mr. Vinik, I think he's a great choice. Very smart, incredible businessman, totally sincere and a great communicator who actually gives a damn.

Any word on if any GMs will attend and which players will be there?

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12-02-2012, 05:23 PM
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What does everyone think of this group? Having up close experience with Mr. Vinik, I think he's a great choice. Very smart, incredible businessman, totally sincere and a great communicator who actually gives a damn.

Any word on if any GMs will attend and which players will be there?
I want to see a boxing match between Chipman and Jacobs.

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Bill Daly will be part of this too? With Steve Fehr?

If both Daly and Jacobs are here and neither of the Fehr's or player agents, this is not going anywhere.

EDIT - Steve Fehr will be there also.

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12-02-2012, 05:31 PM
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So if Daly and Steve fehr are there how is this any different than other sessions where they didn't attend?

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So if Daly and Steve fehr are there how is this any different than other sessions where they didn't attend?
It's not a negotiating session. I suspect that Daly and Fehr will be there to ensure that things don't go from discussing to negotiating. Kind of like the attorney who lets his client talk until he starts to say the wrong thing, or instructs his client not to answer a question that shouldn't have been asked.

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So if Daly and Steve fehr are there how is this any different than other sessions where they didn't attend?
Maybe the NHL declined to make this a "discussion" and insisted on a "negotiation" and inturn the PA felt they should have someone there? It was the PA's request that they be there.

Why can't 24/7 put this on TV for us?

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Overall, your company makes money, but most of that money is made in a very small number of departments. The departments which struggle usually change over the years, so besides those small number of departments which are always in the black, the majority of departments are either struggling, have struggled at some point in the past, or are break-even style, which is a fine line away from struggling. Since a fair number of departments go through tough times at some point, the company has to look and see if there are systematic problems with the way the company is set up. That usually involves salary reviews or layoffs as the first step.
What if those three departments could not produce those profits without the non profitable departments ?

It's not one company anyways. That's a huge part of the problem. If these were 30 companies more than half would have closed. If it was one, the disparity wouldn't matter as much. Many (most?) Companies have loss leaders they rely on.

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Having "staff" member from each side present in meeting was NHLPA request. NHL opted for Daly, which means PA will counter with Steve Fehr.

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It's not a negotiating session. I suspect that Daly and Fehr will be there to ensure that things don't go from discussing to negotiating. Kind of like the attorney who lets his client talk until he starts to say the wrong thing, or instructs his client not to answer a question that shouldn't have been asked.
Maybe. Let's hope something can come of it.

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Maybe. Let's hope something can come of it.
Yeah, a least a fist fight that someone catches on their iPhone.

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So, Jacobs apparently is going to be there-and he's not exactly Mr Popularity. I'm guessing we'll see hardcore players in the room as well.

I admit I'm surprised that the players agreed to it-but I fear with Jacobs, if he's as bad as being reported, the players will probably respond with hardline players.

Which means this probably is not going to go anywhere. I guess we'll see if it the "problem" is Bettman/Fehr.

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12-02-2012, 05:40 PM
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This meeting is no different than the previous meetings.

Daly and fehr....lol

Just cancel the season already.

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So a negotiation between Daly and Steve Fehr with the most hardline owner and presumably hardline players (ie rich and on super long contracts) present is supposed to get the job done? Nice job on this one, NHL and PA. The PR spin coming out of this disaster ought to be fun.

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So Jacobs, Daly, and Steve Fehr are going to be there. I really don't understand what's supposed to be so different. I guess without Bettman the average height of those present goes up or something.

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I don't expect the meeting to last long if Jacobs tries to take charge.

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NHL expects these owners to be in meeting: Ron Burkle, Mark Chipman, Murray Edwards, Jeremy Jacobs, Larry Tanenbaum and Jeff Vinik.
So, in order: Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Calgary, Boston, Toronto, Tampa Bay. That's not a bad group, although I would have made the NHL leave Jacobs out of it if I were the PA.

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I don't expect the meeting to last long if Jacobs tries to take charge.
I expect the meeting to be heavily censored by Jacobs and Daly. I don't think the owners have the right to speak freely, even there.

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What does everyone think of this group? Having up close experience with Mr. Vinik, I think he's a great choice. Very smart, incredible businessman, totally sincere and a great communicator who actually gives a damn.

Any word on if any GMs will attend and which players will be there?
Need more newer and younger faces (relatively) like Chipman. Jacobs and co are from the 40s, they don't understand how to treat players and have an old school belief. The quicker they go the less labour problems we'll have.

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So, in order: Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Calgary, Boston, Toronto, Tampa Bay. That's not a bad group, although I would have made the NHL leave Jacobs out of it if I were the PA.
thats a very good group with lots of diversity... canadian/american... small market/big market... traditional/non-traditional.... old school owners/new owners...hardliners/moderates...

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So a negotiation between Daly and Steve Fehr with the most hardline owner and presumably hardline players (ie rich and on super long contracts) present is supposed to get the job done? Nice job on this one, NHL and PA. The PR spin coming out of this disaster ought to be fun.
My understanding was that this is not a negotiating session. Has that changed?

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