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Players signing over in Europe (UPD: trouble with/out transfer cards, Yakupov et al)

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09-16-2012, 03:55 PM
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Players signing over in Europe (UPD: trouble with/out transfer cards, Yakupov et al)

So what happens if there's an 11th hour deal and the regular season starts on time? Or at most a week or so if games is lost? What does Taft mean for those that signed elsewhere? Do they gave an out clause to return to their NHL teams?

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Most of them probably got deals with out clauses in them

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I don't know for sure but I have to imagine the contract is contingent on their being a lockout. I think the NHL contract would override any secondary signing unless their NHL contract specifies something to the contrary.

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if a deal is reached, they have an active contract in the NHL and must report.
if they do not report, they will be suspended by their team.
iihf may get involved if players do not report, through international play sanctions.


because of this, all those with contracts in the NHL will likely sign contracts in europe with out-clauses. Those without contracts (RFA's, UFA's) are free to sign full-year contracts without out-clauses should they choose.

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Wouldn't be surprised if some of the players sign contracts month by month.

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Wouldn't be surprised if some of the players sign contracts month by month.
i believe gonchar and malkin's are week to week.

anyways, i'll add that the KHL requires that any players under contract in the NHL must have a unilateral out clause in case the NHL resumes.

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i believe gonchar and malkin's are week to week.

anyways, i'll add that the KHL requires that any players under contract in the NHL must have a unilateral out clause in case the NHL resumes.
Both signed for whole season, but with out clause as you wrote.

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TheFourthPeriod 7:32am via Web I was just told that Ovechkin's insurance is more than $100,000 per month. The KHL team that signs him is on the hook for paying it.

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wyshynski 11:01am via twitterfeed New Puck Daddy: Nail Yakupov, other NHL players facing IIHF transfer card controversy in Europe yhoo.it/PwIQnO

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http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/stor...alkin-sidney-c

A look at the issues surrounding insurance (coverage of NHL salary) for players heading to Europe.

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But if you're at a point in your life (kids in school, whatever) you can't go to Europe during the lockout, what options might be available to stay in North America (and play)?

(Very limited)

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ECHL and the Central Hockey League (CHL) are minor pro leagues that would allow locked-out players to participate, but each of those leagues has a salary cap and restrictions on the number of veteran players allowed on each roster.

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To answer the OP... all will have out clauses in their contracts for when the NHL resumes.

To adress LadyStanley, players like the Sedins whose families are entrenched in their present locations... facrtor in HUGE. i.e. not going back.goining (back that is what she stated in #11,,,)

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im so much against this

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im so much against this
Why?

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TheFourthPeriod 7:32am via Web I was just told that Ovechkin's insurance is more than $100,000 per month. The KHL team that signs him is on the hook for paying it.
Why would that be? I would think it would be something that had to be negotiated.

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They need to comeback if they have a contract signed with an NHL club.

But there's always a risk. This isn't basketball, baseball or football. There's a serious alternative that's getting better organized and richer at every NHL work stoppage... Where's the tipping point? Probably not this time.

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TheFourthPeriod 7:32am via Web I was just told that Ovechkin's insurance is more than $100,000 per month. The KHL team that signs him is on the hook for paying it.
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Why would that be? I would think it would be something that had to be negotiated.
RDS (In french) claims Oveckin is already saying he might stay in KHL with Dynamo if the new CBA modifies the current contracts. There is also a rumor that Dynamo found a way to pay Ovi more than the 65% rule the KHL created. Perhaps its in the insurance.

Edit : Found the english version on TSN.

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RDS (In french) claims Oveckin is already saying he might stay in KHL with Dynamo if the new CBA modifies the current contracts. There is also a rumor that Dynamo found a way to pay Ovi more than the 65% rule the KHL created. Perhaps its in the insurance.

Edit : Found the english version on TSN.

Well then good riddance. Though to be honest I was pretty much sick of Ovechkin before he started opening his mouth during this dispute.

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SunGarrioch 8:55am via Twitter for BlackBerry® Jason Spezza is insuring all three years of his deal which means he is probably spending $50,000 a month for insurance.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=405696

AP article with comments from IIHF pres on NHL players coming to Europe.

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Can't help but think it'd be good for some of the players to go to places like Japan and try and get some attention to the sport there. I mean, they're not people who worry about money so I don't see why they wouldn't go there.

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SEL will allow players from NHL.

Today the Swedish Competition Authority declared that SEL decision to not allow short-term contracts was illegal.
As it stand now, NHL-players are free to play in SEL.
Guess the final word isn't said, the swedish newspapers are beeing flooded by rumors, and confirmations on who is joing what team.

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Well I mean I really don't blame them for wanting to block it. They are one of the better leagues in the world and I'm sure it's great short term to have some talent go over there... but it displaces players that are already in the league, disrupts competition, and so on. I'm sure we wouldn't have wanted some veteran defenseman from Russia or Sweden coming over to play for the Devils and make Larsson sit on the sidelines and then us as fans know at any second this player will be gone.

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Grange: Is the KHL the new WHA?

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Crosby looking at $400k/month in insurance payments (should he want to play in Europe, for instance).

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