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12-06-2012, 07:03 PM
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Bettman hinting that Make Whole is off the table...

If that happens no way see hockey this year.
It was there for the taking, but Fehr pissed it down the toilet... I never thought I would see the owners moves as much as reported....I thought they would try to crush them, but from the sounds of it, there were some good givebacks there...Players were giving too, but the 10 yr proposal seemed pretty fair compared to the last time.

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Yeah. I'm not listening to radio or watching tv but that's my take on it. My concern is that poking at the egos of 30 owners just to bust balls isn't conducive to any deal being made.

If the players think they were getting the short end, they ain't seen nothing yet.

Look I'm a businessman, and frankly if Fehr did what I think he did and I'm an owner, I'd grind them to dust now just based on principal .
Exactly... Nothing personnel just business, crush them.

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Bettman just responded to Fehr going public in presser by saying **** you and the horse you rode in on.

Deals off the table.

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12-06-2012, 07:05 PM
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Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
Bettman: concept of make-whole is off the table


And there you have it...Players / Fehr , whomever ****ed the pooch on this one.

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12-06-2012, 07:06 PM
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Good Fehr comes in moves the Goal posts and the NHL shuts her down good on the Owners if the Pa wants to continue to bait them make it three weeks before you even aproach the numbers you got up to with make whole and contracts and pennsions

I hope we do not have Hockey at this point 40 games is meh at best Hockey East and Friday night Juniors is plenty for me right now atleast those kids play because they love the game not because money.

I hate all the Players right now and if they were just standing at there mark I would not be so upset but the fact they say yeah yeah yeah then nope we need more **** you.

Upshall should just shut the **** up if he just put all the money he made up until this point into savings he would be set for life now he is acting like a victum.

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Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
Bettman: concept of make-whole is off the table


And there you have it...Players / Fehr , whomever ****ed the pooch on this one.
Fehr Fehr Fehr

Its not hard to see right through him. All he's interested in is back handed moves, flipping processes, and spinning anything said. If i was a player i would be rip **** mad

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It was there for the taking, but Fehr pissed it down the toilet... I never thought I would see the owners moves as much as reported....I thought they would try to crush them, but from the sounds of it, there were some good givebacks there...Players were giving too, but the 10 yr proposal seemed pretty fair compared to the last time.

I agree, it's just frustrating. Everyone knows that if there is no Make Whole there will be no deal.

My guess is if we do ever get a deal the Make Whole will be thrown in at the last minute as a extra "bone".

I'm just disgusted with both sides. Suck it up and negotiate, there really shouldn't be any DO THIS OR NO DEAL. Aspects of the deal.

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12-06-2012, 07:08 PM
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Im baffled how the consensus seems to be against the players.

Jacobs should have recused himself. Nothing the league has done is in good faith.

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Bettman showing a ton of emotion, good to see. Not a fan whatsoever of the guy, but respected his quote along the lines of "there is no dead date. my date was october 11th" basically yelling it.

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Bettman is ethering Fehr right now.

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I hope we do not have Hockey at this point 40 games is meh at best Hockey East and Friday night Juniors is plenty for me right now atleast those kids play because they love the game not because money.
AYE! Some of us don't live in New England and suffer much harsher with no hockey.......

I guess I still have the Patriots for another 2 months


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the NHL is pulling EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE because their feelings are hurt and yet most of you are blaming Fehr?!

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Exactly... Nothing personnel just business, crush them.
Exactly. This isn't about Norma Rae poor downtrodden masses by The Man.

This is strictly business .
****'em.

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Its sad but Bettman is right. All Fehr does is spin stuff when in actuality he's done zip, has been dressing a same deal over and over to the NHL, and then trying to WOOO all of us and the media with PR speeches. It's a joke and i can see right through the snake.

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The NFL network did not miss a beat with the NFL lockout NHL network could still do a weekley hour long show to or nightly or what ever to update it does not have to be 24/7 but would 5 hours a week be that hard, the NFL network had it every turn.
The NFL grosses what? Probably twice what the NHL does?

The NHL just got a channel. NBC just picked them up, this was after the NHL co-existed on a channel w/ bullriding and ****ing strongman contests. This is dumber than a soup sandwich as far as BOTH sides are concerned.

Bettman just nailed it. This should have been done before October, not December 16th or what ever date people are floating as a deadline for a season.

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12-06-2012, 07:11 PM
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Im baffled how the consensus seems to be against the players.

Jacobs should have recused himself. Nothing the league has done is in good faith.
Players would have lost in this CBA by 15 round decision IMO...last time it was a first round knockout. Owners *seemed* to give a load more then anyone ever expected, and it *seems* like the NHLPA / Donald Fehr moved the goalposts at the end here...

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the NHL is pulling EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE because their feelings are hurt and yet most of you are blaming Fehr?!
This has nothing to do with feelings. It's how deals are done in good faith or not done.

My guess is you may have never done this but there is a way it is to be done.

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NHL and owners against long term contracts for players but demands long term CBA.

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the NHL is pulling EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE because their feelings are hurt and yet most of you are blaming Fehr?!
Wrong, because Fehr was given an extremely fair offer, one near to their being a season as a YES OR NO deal. Fehr came back as his arrogant self, having to have the last say, and tried to negotiate it. Both sides have to make concessions and it seems Fehr is much less willing at this stage of the game to do so.

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The NFL grosses what? Probably twice what the NHL does?

The NHL just got a channel. NBC just picked them up, this was after the NHL co-existed on a channel w/ bullriding and ****ing strongman contests. This is dumber than soup sandwich as far as BOTH sides are concerned.

Bettman just nailed it. This should have been done before October, not December 16th or what ever date people are floating as a deadline for a season.
I love how people are conveniently forgetting the ridiculous lowball offer the league started with months ago. Rewriting history as if Bettman did everything he could to get this done by October 11th is such BS

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As Edwards just tweeted, way too much spinning and distrust. An "incredible betrayal of the NHL fans."

Spot on Jack, spot on.

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Whoo. Several players just walked into the room to listen. Malhotra, Hainsey and others. More interesting theatre.

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the NHL is pulling EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE because their feelings are hurt and yet most of you are blaming Fehr?!
Seems like much more then that to me...

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Is there a stream or an online radio site for all this?

I'm at school hope a transcript comes out of what Bettman says so I can read it when I get home

or even a video

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Im baffled how the consensus seems to be against the players.

Jacobs should have recused himself. Nothing the league has done is in good faith.
LOL.

One of the biggest shareholders not being involved in protecting his investment.

Where in any business environment have you seen that?

Better yet , do you own anything? Anything?

Will you let me sell it for you?
You can trust me. I'm a nice guy.

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