I like that system. It would kill the Parise/Kovalchuk/Suter/Luongo/etc contracts.
I like it too. At 27 and losing a player is developing him and losing all of the years on the peak and down the other end. Not gonna lie, they seem super close.
Outlawing backdiving/variance and limiting signing bonus kills the monstrosity contracts too, without term limits.
On paper I like the 5-7 difference because in theory it gives an advantage to teams retaining their own players, but in reality it's just going to lead to the farcical 'sign and trades' that the NBA has so that the player can get his 7-year deal, especially without the ability to overpay the way you do in the NBA with their soft cap.
How about put a negotiation clause that at the expiration of the next CBA each party must have a federal mediator assigned to each side and a third neutral will oversee it all if a new agreement is not reached by the start of the pre-season and they alone will negotiate the terms of the agreement with guidance from the two sides and their legal counsel. After 10 days the mediators will draft a final agreement and it will stand as a working agreement to keep the season going unless the NHLPA and Owners can reach a subsequent agreement that would supercede the mediated working agreement to avoid a work stoppage.
But tension between the two sides has run high at times.
At one point the owners threatened to take the offer off the table, indicating they were frustrated with the lack of flexibility on the players side, who have been waiting for the owners to make the kind of move they did last night.
According to sources close to the negotiation it was Buffalo Sabres goalie Ryan Miller who lost his temper briefly, which seemed to encourage further dialogue, although at another point Boston Bruins hard line owner Jeremy Jacobs threatened to leave the negotiation. At that point a more moderate group of owners including the Pittsburgh Penguins' Ron Burkle and the Tampa Bay Lightning's Jeff Vinik agreed to keep the negotiation going.
I guess this is where all the negative vibes came from last night. But it's positive, at this point, that no one did storm out and that negotiations proceeded despite high tempers.
They're onto something, finally.
Edit to add:
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#CBA One source characterized yesterday's session as "bizarre," and said two sides closer in some ways, further apart on others
Outlawing backdiving/variance and limiting signing bonus kills the monstrosity contracts too, without term limits.
On paper I like the 5-7 difference because in theory it gives an advantage to teams retaining their own players, but in reality it's just going to lead to the farcical 'sign and trades' that the NBA has so that the player can get his 7-year deal, especially without the ability to overpay the way you do in the NBA with their soft cap.
Right but that would benefit teams losing their stars. Teams wouldn't be left empty handed.
It could also prevent a Minnesota situation this year. Would they be able to sign Parise and Suter to max contracts while giving up assets for each of them?
I threw this idea around months ago. It makes the most sense to eliminate backdiving contracts.
How about put a negotiation clause that at the expiration of the next CBA each party must have a federal mediator assigned to each side and a third neutral will oversee it all if a new agreement is not reached by the start of the pre-season and they alone will negotiate the terms of the agreement with guidance from the two sides and their legal counsel. After 10 days the mediators will draft a final agreement and it will stand as a working agreement to keep the season going unless the NHLPA and Owners can reach a subsequent agreement that would supercede the mediated working agreement to avoid a work stoppage.
No Stoppage Clause.
Judging by the willingness to let the lockout go on this long, I doubt either side really cares about a future lockout.
Right but that would benefit teams losing their stars. Teams wouldn't be left empty handed.
It could also prevent a Minnesota situation this year. Would they be able to sign Parise and Suter to max contracts while giving up assets for each of them?
I threw this idea around months ago. It makes the most sense to eliminate backdiving contracts.
Miami did with LeBron and Bosh, got them both for very close to max deals because of sign and trades. That doesn't usually give back much to the teams though, first rounders are worthless in the NBA unless they're not lottery protected so the equivalent would be a third or fourth rounder in the NHL.
Miami did with LeBron and Bosh, got them both for very close to max deals because of sign and trades. That doesn't usually give back much to the teams though, first rounders are worthless in the NBA unless they're not lottery protected so the equivalent would be a third or fourth rounder in the NHL.
The difference between an NBA max contract and a standard FA contract is only one year, and injuries are less frequent than the NHL. Players aren't really forced into re-signing with a team so the trade price in a sign-and-trade is fairly low.
In the NHL, the difference will be 2 years and with players getting injured all the time, the demand for a sign-and-trade would be higher. It kind of forces the hand of the player: you want to leave? fine. Enjoy less guaranteed money. If you want that money, you better convince your suitor to match our asking price.
Besides, I'd rather have Minnesota's 3rd rounder right now than nothing at all. I'd also be pretty bitter towards the whole situation so if Minnesota wouldn't offer more than what I truly wanted, I'd tell Parise to piss off and enjoy his 5 year deal.
Also, in the NBA you can win with those 3 super stars because the NBA only uses 8-10 players a game, with 4-5 players getting the bulk of those minutes, and the league is about 8 teams deep. In the NHL, you need significant minutes out of MINIMUM 16 players and contributions from all 19 in the playoffs.
TL;DR - Two totally different sports. I believe it'll work even better in the NHL than the NBA, from an owner's standpoint.
Oh, its definitely a joke alright, but this has been a joke from the very damn start.
I just can't feel positive about this league. At all. One of two things will result from these most recent meetings. It'll either all blow up in typical NHL fashion, or they'll finally settle and we'll be rewarded an injury riddled **** product.
The ignorance that fans will need to have to actually stomach this business is what really pisses me off more than anything.
The stars/hardliners are pushing the rest of union off
If this NHL offer went to vote I have no doubt it would be approved by majority ,, Problem is that Fehr and his minions will never allow it
I still don't understand why the majority even allows the stars to push them around. The second that games are cancelled, the majority loses. Only the stars can possibly make back what they've lost from the cancelled games.
Probably because they're all morons who have been groomed to be athletes and not think about anything else.
ill be in devils attendance the day the league is back. Its not ignorance. I watch the sport for entertainment, not fan appreciation. Nascar treat their fans like gold. Doesnt mean its fun to watch.
I wish the league treated us better, but it wont really bother me once the game is back honestly.
The stars/hardliners are pushing the rest of union off
If this NHL offer went to vote I have no doubt it would be approved by majority ,, Problem is that Fehr and his minions will never allow it
Maybe they need the mediators for themselves lol. I didn't think it was possible to detest anyone more than Bettman, but at least he's only sunk one sport. Fehr's going for the double play. This ain't 1970 and the reserve clause, folks.
ill be in devils attendance the day the league is back. Its not ignorance. I watch the sport for entertainment, not fan appreciation. Nascar treat their fans like gold. Doesnt mean its fun to watch.
I wish the league treated us better, but it wont really bother me once the game is back honestly.
I'm contractually obligated to be there, and in time I'll be able to shelve all this nonsense but I ain't going to lie, right now I can't picture being excited for Opening Night the way I was even two days ago.
I'll be back but I'm seriously thinking of selling one of my two seats for Opening Night to get my money back and just no-showing with my ticket. A symbolic gesture to be sure, but I gotta do something at this point. I'm tired of all these jack***** right now.
ill be in devils attendance the day the league is back. Its not ignorance. I watch the sport for entertainment, not fan appreciation. Nascar treat their fans like gold. Doesnt mean its fun to watch.
I wish the league treated us better, but it wont really bother me once the game is back honestly.
You do have to be ignorant. I'm not judging anybody for it, just saying.
Think about it. Yeah, the NHL provides the highest level of hockey (kinda ironic statement huh?) People enjoy it. I get it. But to continue doing that, you have to completely put aside all the negative ******** associated with this league. And there is A LOT of it.
Yeah, it's okay that the league treats its paying customers like **** and operates like a bush league. Who cares? That's perfectly fine as long as I get my hockey! Well **** that noise. If you can honestly sit through 3 work stoppages and not feel slighted in the least, well more power to you. No way I can be that forgiving. Not after all of the money I spent on these divas the last 18 years. These dickheads should all be part of a soap opera at this point.
Point is, as much a I love hockey and the Devils, I'd literally have to be dead to not be offended by how they have treated the fans, arena and team employees, local businesses and the sport through all of this. It's disgraceful and it takes away from what makes you love the game in the first place. And I'll be thinking about it every damn time I see an NHL related product (game, clothing, etc.)
Point is, as much a I love hockey and the Devils, I'd literally have to be dead to not be offended by how they have treated the fans, arena and team employees, local businesses and the sport through all of this. It's disgraceful and it takes away from what makes you love the game in the first place. And I'll be thinking about it every damn time I see an NHL related product (game, clothing, etc.)
I'm pretty much there. I'm the sort who is either at or watching at home almost every Devils game of the season. I miss maybe 3 to 5 games per years due to travel or non-missalbe engagement. And I honestly dont care. I'll watch (from TV) the first game back, but I can already tell I'm not going to watch every Devils game this season, I'm just sick of the NHL's stupidity and the Union's greed.
I think I'm at the same place where the serious MLB fans were back in the 90s, it took baseball a LONG time to recover from that (some folks say MLB still hasn't fully recovered). I have no idea what to expect, but if I'm any sort of an indicator this will not be like the last lockout when NHL attendance was record setting as soon as play resumed.
You do have to be ignorant. I'm not judging anybody for it, just saying.
Think about it. Yeah, the NHL provides the highest level of hockey (kinda ironic statement huh?) People enjoy it. I get it. But to continue doing that, you have to completely put aside all the negative ******** associated with this league. And there is A LOT of it.
Yeah, it's okay that the league treats its paying customers like **** and operates like a bush league. Who cares? That's perfectly fine as long as I get my hockey! Well **** that noise. If you can honestly sit through 3 work stoppages and not feel slighted in the least, well more power to you. No way I can be that forgiving. Not after all of the money I spent on these divas the last 18 years. These dickheads should all be part of a soap opera at this point.
Point is, as much a I love hockey and the Devils, I'd literally have to be dead to not be offended by how they have treated the fans, arena and team employees, local businesses and the sport through all of this. It's disgraceful and it takes away from what makes you love the game in the first place. And I'll be thinking about it every damn time I see an NHL related product (game, clothing, etc.)
So you're telling me that if hockey comes back and the Devils make the Cup finals, you won't be excited for it?
