So you're telling me that if hockey comes back and the Devils make the Cup finals, you won't be excited for it?
Honestly, regardless if the Devils are playing in the Final or it's some other team, I'd hope by that time, I wont feel the way I do right now. I don't like feeling this way about something I care about. But these ****ers killed my enthusiasm. I'm tired of the constant ******** with this league. Done with it.
edit: so did talks break off again or did they not? all different reports coming out right now.
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Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Fehr says there's agreement on pensions, transition payments.
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Fehr feels both sides should be able to reach a deal given what players have come back with. Feels there's a complete agreement on "dollars"
How about put a negotiation clause that at the expiration of the next CBA each party must have a federal mediator assigned to each side and a third neutral will oversee it all if a new agreement is not reached by the start of the pre-season and they alone will negotiate the terms of the agreement with guidance from the two sides and their legal counsel. After 10 days the mediators will draft a final agreement and it will stand as a working agreement to keep the season going unless the NHLPA and Owners can reach a subsequent agreement that would supercede the mediated working agreement to avoid a work stoppage.
No Stoppage Clause.
That would be nice for us, but neither side will go for that. They don't want to give up their nuclear option, so they will always reserve the right to strike/lockout.
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Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Fehr says there's agreement on pensions, transition payments.
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Fehr feels both sides should be able to reach a deal given what players have come back with. Feels there's a complete agreement on "dollars"
Good so far.
First time we've heard this, right? That sounds like real progress, but let's not get too excited yet.
Jack Edwards @RealJackEdwards
NHLPA went from 5yr CBA to 8 (opt out 6) in counter today (NHL wants 10), 25% hi/low max change in max 7yr contracts (NHL wants 5% and 5yrs)
Didn't that seem like the first proposal where the NHL came out and said it looks good we have done a bunch on our part. (meaning the players) There should be no reason why we can't get a deal done.
I have followed Twitter all day fully expecting some good, I just can't get excited. Wash rinse repeat
They take the NHL 300M offer which was for a 10 yr CBA (8 yrs with opt out)
And apply it to 8 yr (6 yrs with opt out)
NHL is not gonna accept that
Just guessing that it's a standard negotiating tactic. Counter offer with 8/6 and see if the NHL would meet in the middle with 9 years with an opt out after 7.
Reading between the lines, Fehr never said "this is the deal to be made"
He says they're close and they're building off the agreement they have on certain issues.
If the NHL doesn't accept the idea of an 8 year CBA, that's where the very important "bargaining" and "negotiation" terms come into play.
They're close. It's time to bridge that gap, not burn it and run away.
And that's probably why the NHLPA was fussing over a mediator. They didn't want something like 2 years or a small percentage of dollars to blow up negotiations when good momentum had finally been found.
Sorry guys, but I don't believe a damn thing Fehr says. He's the last person I'd listen to. Didn't he say here not too long ago to the media that the sides were close on most issues, and then Daly said that they weren't? Around Thanksgiving or whenever they met before? I can't remember exactly what.
Jack Edwards @RealJackEdwards
NHLPA went from 5yr CBA to 8 (opt out 6) in counter today (NHL wants 10), 25% hi/low max change in max 7yr contracts (NHL wants 5% and 5yrs)
No way the NHL is getting that high-low or that length.
We will likely see either 5 years when a UFA, 7 years when resigned and a 10-20% max rate.
So what the NHL is saying is that if you sign a deal for 5 million a year, you can get paid no more than 5.25 million and no less than 4.75...
oh man
Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika
Don Fehr: It's not positive. We were advised in a voice mail message that the moves the players made were not acceptable.
Bettman take your Hockey league and shove it up your arse. I knew it was to good to be true. They don't give a flying **** about Hockey and it will show. Good Job
oh man
Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika
Don Fehr: It's not positive. We were advised in a voice mail message that the moves the players made were not acceptable.
But what they are separated on definitely shouldn't be delayed much longer.
Now it's just about making some concessions. Maybe some of the stuff will be conditional on age, games played, who knows. The max of five years is pretty unreasonable to expect the players to accept it.
I think the problem is they want to see more movement from players, and don't want players to be locked up. So a guy that turns into a UFA at age 27, they don't want him locked up for all his good years and 5 stops that.
League can say everything was fine until Fehr walked into the room.
PA can say they gave the owners close to everything they wanted and still had it rejected.
Neither side technically wrong, but still somehow mostly full of ****.
It's like a chess game.
Except I don't want to watch chess. I want to watch hockey.
Wash rinse repeat
