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Could The O'Brien Cup replace the Stanley Cup once again?

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12-04-2012, 05:03 PM
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Could The O'Brien Cup replace the Stanley Cup once again?

Could The O'Brien Cup ever come back?

Admit it, you never heard of this trophy before. But from what I can tell, for several years, from about 1921 to 1927, the team that won the NHL championship was awarded the O'Brien Cup for doing so, not the Stanley Cup. They then went on to compete against the champions of some other leagues to win the Stanley Cup.

This made sense because the NHL, despite how it's been awarded since then, technically doesn't actually own the Stanley Cup. In theory, if legal challenges forced them to, they might be required once again to allow teams from outside the NHL to challenge for it. The longer this lockout goes on, the more grumblings we're likely to hear to make that happen - just like in the last lockout.

They don't have to worry about the O'Brien Cup being taken from them.

The NHL certainly wouldn't allow any of this by choice. Ever. Um, except... what about the future, if somehow the NHL really wanted to expand into being a true "world" league, rather than "just" a "National" Hockey League, that only features North American teams?

I don't think it's out of the question that, in the far future, other leagues similar to the NHL could be setup *by the NHL* in places like Europe... which would compete for their own version of the O'Brien Cup, and then those champions would meet to play for the Stanley Cup. Thus preserving the general belief (in North America at least) that it is and should always be the championship trophy for the best club team in the world.

I'm sure the current owners would salivate about the entry fees they could get from new owners as a result....

Frankly I doubt any of this will happen within the next few decades, or ever, but I think it's fun to think and talk about!

Checkout the page for the O'Brien Cup on Wikipedia for more information about it. It's an interesting part of hockey history.

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I always dreamed of lifting the storied O'Brien Cup.

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I can sense your laughter, but (in a worst case scenario) if the Stanley Cup is ever taken away from the NHL, they'll have to replace it with something....

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The O'Brien Cup is now handed to the NBA champion.

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I think the Stanley Cup trustees has said that they wont allow the cup to be contested for this season for non-NHL-teams. They dont want to make a mockery of the trophy in that manner. In the future i think the trustees should stay true to the trophys original purpose, "Given to the best team in the Dominion of Canada", except that becouse they stretched that to North America, than they can stretch it to other parts in the world as well. Somehow the KHL needs to prove to the trustees that they are worthy contestants and maybe we have a chance here. Hell, between 1915-23 they even played under different rules between the leagues, meaning on home ice yours, away from home theirs. I'm thinking that the KHL plays on bigger ice and has some tweaks here and there in the rules.


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yeah no, they tried to allow women's teams the right to compete for the cup during he last lockout and they said no. NHL or bust.

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The O'Brien Cup is now handed to the NBA champion.
Cup?


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Cup?

Looks like one of those plastic beer cups.

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It was agreed in an out of court settlement after the last lockout that the Stanley cup could be awarded to non-NHL teams should the league not operate for a season. The dispute lasted so long that, by the time it was settled, the NHL had resumed operating for the 2005–06 season.

I'm sure we would see the NHL challenge that decision in court if we get close to that tho.

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Fun Fact:

The 1938–39 NHL season saw the NHL move back to a single division, and from that point on the Cup was awarded to the playoff runner-up. (until 1950)

(Wikipedia)

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Cup?

What a ****** trophy; use it as a paper-weight. Thank god we have the Stanley Cup.

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I definitely knew what the O'Brien Cup was before.. It's not like I was on the NHL Awards Wikipedia page a million times, right?

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Short answer, no.

Long answer, nope.

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I thought this was going to be about Conan O'Brian starting his own leauge.

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The O'Brien Cup is now handed to the NBA champion.
It's actually the Larry O'Brien Championship Trophy.

The previous trophy was a cup, though, the Walter A. Brown Trophy


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Don't mean to brag, but I had heard of the O'Brien Cup, cuz I'm cool.

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I read this thread as "Conan O'Brien replaces the Stanley Cup".

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I read this thread as "Conan O'Brien replaces the Stanley Cup".


Good to see I'm not the only one.

I was joking about this with some friends and we decided our beer league championship-winning roster. I sent Callahan an invitation to his Facebook page but he hasn't answered yet......

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I wouldn't want his cup back. That's gross.

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#TeamO'Brien
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I would prefer a Murphy Cup. Less bald.

But maybe they could award this O'Brien cup if the games are played by scabs.

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No, but I could see the Stanley Cup having a corporate sponsorship name...

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No, but I could see the Stanley Cup having a corporate sponsorship name...
Kentucky Fried Chiken Cup!

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I am here.. Control yourself ladies.

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No, but I could see the Stanley Cup having a corporate sponsorship name...
Only if it's this company :


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