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04-12-2013, 04:27 PM
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1. Stamkos
2. Tavares

3. Kane







4. RNH



5A. MacKinnon
5B. Hall














6. Yakupov
Why is Yakupov so low? I don't get it.

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04-12-2013, 04:29 PM
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Why is Yakupov so low? I don't get it.
cause he is the easily the worst guy of the group

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cause he is the easily the worst guy of the group
He's really that much worse? I don't think so.

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cause he is the easily the worst guy of the group
I would say Yakupov has the potential to be one of the best goal scorers of the mentioned players.

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04-12-2013, 05:30 PM
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cause he is the easily the worst guy of the group
The guy who was putting up the best PPG pre injury of all these guys is somehow easily the worst?

Mackinnon gets an edge of Yakupov because he plays the center position. But as it is being rumoured he will convert to the wing in the NHL, I dont see that much of a difference at all. MacK might have a slighty higher hockey IQ but Yakupov will be the better sniper

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04-12-2013, 05:33 PM
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The guy who was putting up the best PPG pre injury of all these guys is somehow easily the worst?

Mackinnon gets an edge of Yakupov because he plays the center position. But as it is being rumoured he will convert to the wing in the NHL, I dont see that much of a difference at all. MacK might have a slighty higher hockey IQ but Yakupov will be the better sniper
What rumors?

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What rumors?
I have just read speculation he might. Maybe all they are is rumours. If he stays center and excels, ya hell probaly be a better prospect, but as a winger I wont give him that much of an edge, if any at all

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04-12-2013, 05:36 PM
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I would say Yakupov has the potential to be one of the best goal scorers of the mentioned players.
Better goal scorer than Stamkos? Are you joking..?

Hell, even Tavares stepped up his goal scoring to a level I'm sure Oilers fans would be ecstatic if Yakupov ever attains that sort of dominance.

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04-12-2013, 05:40 PM
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I have just read speculation he might. Maybe all they are is rumours. If he stays center and excels, ya hell probaly be a better prospect, but as a winger I wont give him that much of an edge, if any at all
you heard a rumour from somebody on here? great source

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04-12-2013, 05:43 PM
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Without hindsight - if you were to compare how good they were suppose to be only based on draft years...

1. Tavares

2. Mackinnon

3. Stamkos
3. Hall

5. RNH
5. Yakupov

7. Kane

It's hard to look at because Stammer is obviously the best, and Kane is certainly not the worst... but Kane was ranked third by MANY scouts and only went 1st because Chicago already drafted Toews. Stammer wasn't suppose to be THIS good either.

With Hindsight - I'd say Mac can be on Tavares's level but probably not Stamkos' level.

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you heard a rumour from somebody on here? great source
Scouting reports as well, never claimed it was forsure, just said I read speculation hed be a better winger, so dont get your panties in a knot.

I said it if it did happen that he switched to the wing.


Do you see Drouin as an NHL center to?

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04-12-2013, 05:46 PM
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Better goal scorer than Stamkos? Are you joking..?

Hell, even Tavares stepped up his goal scoring to a level I'm sure Oilers fans would be ecstatic if Yakupov ever attains that sort of dominance.
my post said "one" of the best goal scorers, not "the" best.

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04-12-2013, 06:07 PM
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Watching their junior careers i actually have trouble seeing a lot of difference between Stamkos and Yakupov. I actually think Yakupov has a quicker release. Both players have a huge commitment to the game, which is awesome to see from young 1st overalls. (You'd be hard pressed to find 2 players that work harder off the ice than these two.)

For Hall, he can create the most offence out of any player on this list, the only player to ever win 2 memorial cup mpv's. Dare I make a mark messier comparison? Yeah, i went there. How Hall plays the game, i feel like it's impossible for him to have a slump unless he is sick or injured. You can't out skate him and you can't out work him.

Patrick Kane might have the best back hand in the history of the NHL. (in their cup run he scored a backhander (i think in OT or late in the 3rd but my memory is foggy) from just inside the blue line. The puck held velocity the whole way against the best goalie at the time, in luongo. I feel like Chicago is his team this year, not Toews. That's probably sacrilige to say that given Toews is a god around here, but Kane has just been awesome.

RNH has some of the best edge work i've seen. It's actually pretty incredible to watch. He plays like Crosby, but without the tree trunks for legs thus making him less effective down low. (one could argue that then makes him nothing like crosby.) He's got such great vision. I think we all enjoyed him in the world Juniors being involved in 90% of Canada's points after the 1st game of the tourney. (I think he got only around 50% of the possible points in the 1st game, after that if he wasn't on the ice Canada wasn't scoring.)

While I won't rank the players, the point i'm trying to make is, they all have skills that stand out above the rest, and all translate fairly equally to the game. Also, they can all play the game at full speed with the puck.

Stamkos/Yakupov/Tavares - Elite Snipers
RNH - Incredible vision, probably the best edges in the entire league
Hall - creates his own offense, a one man army
Kane - amazing puck handler, off the charts back-hand

While very different players, I think all of them will be within 10 points of each other every year for their careers. Team needs also come into play, if you have some play makers, snipers like Stamkos are very valuable to your team. If you have a well-rounded center like Toews then the offensive flair of Kane might be more valuable to your team.
The one player that stands out to me though is Hall because he doesn't need anyone else to complete his game.

I think people like Mckinnon because he's more like a cross between a RNH and a Hall. He's fairly broad, he forechecks hard, and has good vision. A lot of people like him because he's well rounded, some don't because he isn't a specialist in any one area.

Either way all these players are so fun to watch
Just wanted to say thanks, I appreciate you writing that up.

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04-12-2013, 06:12 PM
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Skating? He's a hell of a skater, would already be among the best in the NHL at that.
Skating well doesn't = gamebreaking. For any attribute to excel in skating is probably the one that matters the least.

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Skating well doesn't = gamebreaking. For any attribute to excel in skating is probably the one that matters the least.
I remember Kovalev said it's sad how NHL is all about speed now, and that speed is more important than skill.

Sure, it could be an old guy that slowed up and can't score by just having sick hands, but I think he got a valid point.

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1. Stamkos
2. Tavares

3. Kane







4. RNH



5A. MacKinnon
5B. Hall














6. Yakupov

In terms of at draft hype that's just wrong. Tavares is easily the most hyped prospect post Crosby. Stamkos is playing better than even his biggest proponents thought.

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04-12-2013, 07:17 PM
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Skating well doesn't = gamebreaking. For any attribute to excel in skating is probably the one that matters the least.
Bolded, Italicized and underlined to emphasize how ridiculous this statement is. Elite skating is one of the most important skills in todays game. If someone like Tavares had Mackinnons wheels he could be the best player in the game.

His skating is not only going to help him create space for himself, but it's going to cut down on the amount of space his opponents can get.

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He's kinda sorta alright I guess.

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People are just pulling rankings out of their ass. No one knows.

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Bolded, Italicized and underlined to emphasize how ridiculous this statement is. Elite skating is one of the most important skills in todays game. If someone like Tavares had Mackinnons wheels he could be the best player in the game.

His skating is not only going to help him create space for himself, but it's going to cut down on the amount of space his opponents can get.

So you must think that Hansen/Helm/Torrey Mitchell have gamebreaking skill? Skating is the easiest skill to teach. Can you teach a guy to be a 40+ goal scorer? No? What about great playermaker? No? Ability to read the play?

If Tavares had Mackinnon's skating ability he'd be better, yes, but notice how much his skating has improved since he came into the league? Besides Mackinnon isn't close to as skilled as Tavares.

Speed is one of the least important skill in the game, it's also the easiest to improve, look at Jagr, he's lost most of his speed and can still be somewhat dominant. It's also the easiest skill to lose, one major injury and a lot of guys lose speed. The best player whose biggest skill is speed is a guy like Gaborik, other guys have it as a secondary skill.

Brett Hull couldn't skate very well at all, he scored 86 goals one season.

On top of that Mac is supposed to be a center, speed only really important after a point which most NHLers are at on breakaways and if he's a center defensively he won't get a lot of breakaways.

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Without hindsight - if you were to compare how good they were suppose to be only based on draft years...

1. Tavares

2. Mackinnon

3. Stamkos
3. Hall

5. RNH
5. Yakupov

7. Kane

It's hard to look at because Stammer is obviously the best, and Kane is certainly not the worst... but Kane was ranked third by MANY scouts and only went 1st because Chicago already drafted Toews. Stammer wasn't suppose to be THIS good either.

With Hindsight - I'd say Mac can be on Tavares's level but probably not Stamkos' level.
Same for Mackinnon no?

I would have Kane higher than Yakupov as well. Yakupov pretty much ended up no 1 for two reasons: Galchenyuk's injury, and an otherwise overrated forward class. 94 is the weakest Canadian forward year and Canada's best 94 are actually late births so they werent even eligible.

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This really says a lot about how strong this draft is though.

When the guy who has widely been projected to go THIRD overall now behind Jones and Drouin in this draft, would still be considered the 3rd or 4th best guy among the last 7 1st overall picks.

What does that say about Drouin, or especially Jones. Would Jones be #1 out of all those guys, or is he #2?


As an Avs fan currently with the 1st overall pick, I am licking my chops at the thought of one of these guys joining the Avs next year.

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MacKinnon was looking to be a Tavares-level prospect before Drouin stole the limelight.
That doesn't really matter if Drouin has had a better year... It doesn't take anything away from MacKinnon; he didn't regress.

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So you must think that Hansen/Helm/Torrey Mitchell have gamebreaking skill? Skating is the easiest skill to teach. Can you teach a guy to be a 40+ goal scorer? No? What about great playermaker? No? Ability to read the play?

Speed is one of the least important skill in the game, it's also the easiest to improve, look at Jagr, he's lost most of his speed and can still be somewhat dominant. It's also the easiest skill to lose, one major injury and a lot of guys lose speed. The best player whose biggest skill is speed is a guy like Gaborik, other guys have it as a secondary skill.

Brett Hull couldn't skate very well at all, he scored 86 goals one season.
A player with great wheels and no brain or no hands is going to find it much, much easier to carve out an NHL career than one with a great brain who can't skate. Particularly in the current era.

Bringing up Jagr isn't an example of how someone who's slow can have success. It's an example of how someone who's slow can have success if they're one of the five strongest, smartest forwards ever to play.

With assets like that, yeah, you can overcome a lack of speed. That doesn't make skating the "least important skill in the game." Quite the contrary, referencing Jagr suggests the opposite: if you can't get around the ice, you need some rare-ish blend of skills to have success.

On the flip-side, players who can skate, have no other significant skills and hold down jobs? Too numerous to count.

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This really says a lot about how strong this draft is though.

When the guy who has widely been projected to go THIRD overall now behind Jones and Drouin in this draft, would still be considered the 3rd or 4th best guy among the last 7 1st overall picks.

What does that say about Drouin, or especially Jones. Would Jones be #1 out of all those guys, or is he #2?


As an Avs fan currently with the 1st overall pick, I am licking my chops at the thought of one of these guys joining the Avs next year.
Well having an elite D-man and forward available is nothing new: Doughty and Stamkos in 08, Hedman and JT in 09.

This big difference is that this year, both Jones and Mackinnon had excellent seasons, and they were joined by Drouin, who more or less came from nowhere.

I will say this. I see Jones as a slightly better Victor Hedman, I see Mackinnon as a slightly better Taylor Hall, and I see Drouin as a slightly better RNH.

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