19. The other Americans who impressed were Jones, who "looked like a confident veteran" after a nervous start, and Jacob Trouba, who may have set a record for man-crushes at this event. The scout quoted on Jones said Trouba "added poise and efficient transition game to his in-your-face regular abrasive style."
Blurb from Elliote Friedman , should have added scoring and producing at pressure points.
Like I said , hearing a tonne of inside hockey people rave about him.
I don't think any information in the new CBA has come out regarding the college loophole, has there? I really hope they fixed that...
Nothing that i've seen from the new CBA explicitly mentions the college loophole. Regardless, trouba's not eligible for it (under old CBA and I imagine under the new) due to him not playing a year of junior.
19. The other Americans who impressed were Jones, who "looked like a confident veteran" after a nervous start, and Jacob Trouba, who may have set a record for man-crushes at this event. The scout quoted on Jones said Trouba "added poise and efficient transition game to his in-your-face regular abrasive style."
Blurb from Elliote Friedman , should have added scoring and producing at pressure points.
Like I said , hearing a tonne of inside hockey people rave about him.
thanks jetkarma I always like listening to and reading Friedman and the bolded had me laughing.
Nice verbiage as well "poise and efficient transition game to his in-your-face regular abrasive style"
Not trying to pump our tires too much but this got me thinking, thank god he is a Jets prospect. Can you imagine how out of control the main boards would be if he was the prospect of.....oh....let’s say Toronto (or fill in any other fan base that is a bit rabid)
The best part of the Trouba love in is it seems like the higher you get up the food chain (far far away from the HF main boards) and the closer you get to the experts who get paid to evaluate the more universal the praise is for Jacob. I think the main reason is because throw away the crazy point totals for a minute and what most saw was a skill set that was more comprehensive, rounded, advanced, AND NHL FRIENDLY than people would have ever thought. I think it’s simple......anyone watching would go.........@#$% I would kill to have that guy in our uniform and sometimes that’s the only test you need.
Anyone know if the Justin Schultz loophole has been closed in the new CBA? It would be nice knowing Trouba is locked in with the Jets.
Even without the loophole (which if still active in new CBA) which Trouba is not eligible for, Trouba is in no way shape or form locked in with the Jets. TEAMS CONTROL NCAA PLAYERS FOR 4 YEARS, LOOPHOLE OR NOT. It really is THAT SIMPLE. Ducks controlled Schultz for 4 years, because he played a year of junior after being drafted. Jets control Trouba for 4 years since he went straight to NCAA. That's the way it works. No player is locked in, hell a 1st overall pick from CHL could wait 2 years and head back into draft should he so desire...
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I actually think a sticky: read this before posting: FAQ and General Information... Would be a good thread to put up. Maybe tell Holden to build it it would be best to keep it to facts and not opinions though
Honestly, once the official CBA is released I will review it, particularly for players/prospects rights and whatnot and I will make a thread highlighting all the changes. Maybe I'll sticky it for a while, if anyone is interested.
Bothers me that the Jets website has no pride in what they do regarding players rights though, still have guys like Leveille (released last summer) and JOHN ALBERT (who has not been protected by the Jets since summer 2011) as "In The System"...it's really freaking simple to know those details, particularly when they get paid to do this stuff...like the announcers at WJC who have no idea how European and American junior systems work, particularly with regards to NHL rights, start spotting off half truths and whole lies about stuff like that ...
One of my buddies said I should start a hockey blog about things like that...I'm thinking he's right
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Even without the loophole (which if still active in new CBA) which Trouba is not eligible for, Trouba is in no way shape or form locked in with the Jets. TEAMS CONTROL NCAA PLAYERS FOR 4 YEARS, LOOPHOLE OR NOT. It really is THAT SIMPLE. Ducks controlled Schultz for 4 years, because he played a year of junior after being drafted. Jets control Trouba for 4 years since he went straight to NCAA. That's the way it works. No player is locked in, hell a 1st overall pick from CHL could wait 2 years and head back into draft should he so desire...
Honestly, once the official CBA is released I will review it, particularly for players/prospects rights and whatnot and I will make a thread highlighting all the changes. Maybe I'll sticky it for a while, if anyone is interested.
Bothers me that the Jets website has no pride in what they do regarding players rights though, still have guys like Leveille (released last summer) and JOHN ALBERT (who has not been protected by the Jets since summer 2011) as "In The System"...it's really freaking simple to know those details, particularly when they get paid to do this stuff...like the announcers at WJC who have no idea how European and American junior systems work, particularly with regards to NHL rights, start spotting off half truths and whole lies about stuff like that ...
One of my buddies said I should start a hockey blog about things like that...I'm thinking he's right
There is a thread on the Business of Hockey forum that tries to piece together everything known about the new CBA:
BTW: Have you tried sending an email or tweet to the Jets regarding the outdated player information on their website? Sounds like the Communications folks need to get an updated list from someone in Hockey Operations...
BTW: Have you tried sending an email or tweet to the Jets regarding the outdated player information on their website? Sounds like the Communications folks need to get an updated list from someone in Hockey Operations...
sounds like the communications folks need to be fired.....so i can have their job....
thanks jetkarma I always like listening to and reading Friedman and the bolded had me laughing.
Nice verbiage as well "poise and efficient transition game to his in-your-face regular abrasive style"
Not trying to pump our tires too much but this got me thinking, thank god he is a Jets prospect. Can you imagine how out of control the main boards would be if he was the prospect of.....oh....let’s say Toronto (or fill in any other fan base that is a bit rabid)
The best part of the Trouba love in is it seems like the higher you get up the food chain (far far away from the HF main boards) and the closer you get to the experts who get paid to evaluate the more universal the praise is for Jacob. I think the main reason is because throw away the crazy point totals for a minute and what most saw was a skill set that was more comprehensive, rounded, advanced, AND NHL FRIENDLY than people would have ever thought. I think it’s simple......anyone watching would go.........@#$% I would kill to have that guy in our uniform and sometimes that’s the only test you need.
Thanks for the reply.
I agree with you , great he is our elite prospect no doubt. If he was Toronto's we would be like a 24 hr a day Jacob Trouba station. It is good to see a small market have him too imo , and of course after being in the world hockey spotlight and performing as he did , he has arrived with a bang. Have heard from several inside hockey people , not prone to hyperbole about how real his game is and what they see ahead for him. They all have added to remember he is just 18 , and feel he is no more than 2 years from the NHL.
To me what I personally noticed is the well rounded game he displayed . Using BB's term , we all knew the truculence he brings and thank god for that , but as you mentioned poised is a good way to describe the play we saw as well.
Still a long way to go but this is exactly what this franchise needs , to have a high draft pick play , out perform his draft slot . Potentially Trouba is a dynamic difference maker that will be a key for this franchise . Getting an elite level player and production from pick 9 definitely helps move the talent ahead here imo.
Add a player like Lowry who looks to be someone that will really add multiple things to an NHL team in 2 years that was a mid level draft choice , Scheifele who is at least a safe bet for production ( not saying that in a abad way ) and a plethora of picks this year in a really deep draft , we are building exactly the way we were told and doing it very well imo.
This will allow that one or two FA signings to take this franchise from playoff calibre to Cup run calibre imo. Patience , hard to give at times , but 2 years away I believe , with the ability to compete now . All in all I have to say we should be pleased with the direction and promise we see.
I agree with you , great he is our elite prospect no doubt. If he was Toronto's we would be like a 24 hr a day Jacob Trouba station. It is good to see a small market have him too imo , and of course after being in the world hockey spotlight and performing as he did , he has arrived with a bang. Have heard from several inside hockey people , not prone to hyperbole about how real his game is and what they see ahead for him. They all have added to remember he is just 18 , and feel he is no more than 2 years from the NHL.
To me what I personally noticed is the well rounded game he displayed . Using BB's term , we all knew the truculence he brings and thank god for that , but as you mentioned poised is a good way to describe the play we saw as well.
Still a long way to go but this is exactly what this franchise needs , to have a high draft pick play , out perform his draft slot . Potentially Trouba is a dynamic difference maker that will be a key for this franchise . Getting an elite level player and production from pick 9 definitely helps move the talent ahead here imo.
Add a player like Lowry who looks to be someone that will really add multiple things to an NHL team in 2 years that was a mid level draft choice , Scheifele who is at least a safe bet for production ( not saying that in a abad way ) and a plethora of picks this year in a really deep draft , we are building exactly the way we were told and doing it very well imo.
This will allow that one or two FA signings to take this franchise from playoff calibre to Cup run calibre imo. Patience , hard to give at times , but 2 years away I believe , with the ability to compete now . All in all I have to say we should be pleased with the direction and promise we see.
very nice post
I think it was Holden who pointed out that after draft pick #5 (I think that was the number?) that there isn't much of an advantage historically and you might as well be drafting 15th.
This is what I like best about the Trouba pick. I felt it on draft day and I now firmly believe that Trouba was the 2nd best defenseman in the draft after Ryan Murray and he was about the 4th best player in the draft behind Nail, Gally, and Murray. I feel like we tricked the system and somehow "draft lottery jumped" 5 spots without winning the draft lottery if that makes sense? I feel like we ended up with a top 5 blue chip can’t miss prospect and we have this year’s Sean Couturier where everyone else is looking at their scouts going W$F?
I will be the first to admit that these are prospects and we will not know for 3 or 4 years but for now at least we get to be the smart ones until someone else unseats us.
I think it was Holden who pointed out that after draft pick #5 (I think that was the number?) that there isn't much of an advantage historically and you might as well be drafting 15th.
This is what I like best about the Trouba pick. I felt it on draft day and I now firmly believe that Trouba was the 2nd best defenseman in the draft after Ryan Murray and he was about the 4th best player in the draft behind Nail, Gally, and Murray. I feel like we tricked the system and somehow "draft lottery jumped" 5 spots without winning the draft lottery if that makes sense? I feel like we ended up with a top 5 blue chip can’t miss prospect and we have this year’s Sean Couturier where everyone else is looking at their scouts going W$F?
I will be the first to admit that these are prospects and we will not know for 3 or 4 years but for now at least we get to be the smart ones until someone else unseats us.
Odds go down as you step away from the top of the draft, but that doesn't mean you can't get very good players as you fall into the teens. Hopefully our youngsters (even later selections like Burmi, Scheifele and Trouba) can become big time players, only time will tell.
Just a quick note I am watching the Michigan vs Bowling Green game on TV right now and this just in.....US collage hockey is pretty darn good. These guys are really fast and throw their weight around. Trouba is comfortable and looks solid but he is not as dominant as he was in the world juniors because IMHO things all seem to be happening faster in this game. Its different when you have men who are 21 and 22 years old on the ice vs a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds like the WJC's. I have no problem with Jacob developing at Michigan for a couple of years this is really good hockey and he will be be able to grow his game here.
Bowling Green is putting the boots to the Wolverines and it is 5-1 in the 3rd currently.
side note a guy came in hard on the forecheck on Trouba and Jacob lifted his elbow and stepped into him and really punished the kid. He laid him out but took 2 for elbowing but man he plays nasty game. He has at least 4 hard hits so far.
I think it was Holden who pointed out that after draft pick #5 (I think that was the number?) that there isn't much of an advantage historically and you might as well be drafting 15th.
This is what I like best about the Trouba pick. I felt it on draft day and I now firmly believe that Trouba was the 2nd best defenseman in the draft after Ryan Murray and he was about the 4th best player in the draft behind Nail, Gally, and Murray. I feel like we tricked the system and somehow "draft lottery jumped" 5 spots without winning the draft lottery if that makes sense? I feel like we ended up with a top 5 blue chip can’t miss prospect and we have this year’s Sean Couturier where everyone else is looking at their scouts going W$F?
I will be the first to admit that these are prospects and we will not know for 3 or 4 years but for now at least we get to be the smart ones until someone else unseats us.
After seeing trouba play I'm not sure what Ryan Murray brings to the table that trouba doesn't,plus trouba's meanstreak and hitting ability is something Murray is missing
After seeing trouba play I'm not sure what Ryan Murray brings to the table that trouba doesn't,plus trouba's meanstreak and hitting ability is something Murray is missing
after watching the WJC I think they are much closer than they were on draft day.
I love Murray and he reminds me of a young Scott Niedermayer. The thoughts of a Murray Bogosian pair for the next 10 to 15 years would be amazing. To me Murray is already pretty polished and would be ready for the NHL next year and I don't even think he will have to be sheltered.
However who knows Trouba was really complete in the WJC and I am THRILLED we have him!!!! really you can't go wrong with either of these guys.
After seeing trouba play I'm not sure what Ryan Murray brings to the table that trouba doesn't,plus trouba's meanstreak and hitting ability is something Murray is missing
Murray has an extremely high hockey IQ, elite skating and just seems to control the play while out there. His offensive game is improving, and defensively he's very solid. He just seems to make the right play, nearly everytime - a la Nick Lidstrom. He had also just finished playing at the World's, against men, as an undrafted player - and was extremely effective.
Like PS said, i too had dreams of a Murray/Bogo pairing. The Jets version of Suter/Weber, i suppose.
But i loved the Trouba pick, once Murray was gone so early. I likely would have taken Murray, too, if picking #2 overall, but grabbing Trouba at #9 was easily a 'steal pick' in the first round by the Jets, imo. With Forsberg going to Caps at #11, that's another 'steal pick', imo, but I like the Trouba pick more. Who doesn't want a physical, hard shooting, great skating, offensive-minded, defensively solid... dman? 8 other teams apparently.
it would be best to keep it to facts and not opinions though
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