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02-14-2013, 11:10 PM
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Telegin put up better stats last year than Lowry this year. Don't count chickens before they hatch.

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02-14-2013, 11:15 PM
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Trouba is a blue-chipper. The Jets have a nice top-3 prospects in the cupboard in Trouba, Scheifele and Lowry. ...even if the dropoff after that is pretty severe, those three are nice.
Well, the way things are going so far, the 1st rd pick in the draft might be a player even better than what we currently have.

Add the other 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and the prospect cupboard might just be filling up a bit.

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02-14-2013, 11:26 PM
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Telegin put up better stats last year than Lowry this year. Don't count chickens before they hatch.
Not much better. Very similar.

Telegin:
YearGPGAPTSG/GPA/GPPTS/GP
2 46 35 29 64 0.76 0.63 1.39
1 59 20 41 61 0.34 0.69 1.03
0 51 26 18 44 0.51 0.35 0.86
Lowry:
YearGPGAPTSG/GPA/GPPTS/GP
2 58 36 38 74 0.62 0.66 1.28
1 36 12 25 37 0.33 0.69 1.03
0 66 18 27 45 0.27 0.41 0.68

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02-14-2013, 11:26 PM
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Telegin put up better stats last year than Lowry this year. Don't count chickens before they hatch.
They each play a completely different style of game however.

Plus the average points per game is higher in the OHL than it is in the WHL.

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02-14-2013, 11:28 PM
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They each play a completely different style of game however.

Plus the average points per game is higher in the OHL than it is in the WHL.
Telegin is like EK in which they rely mostly on physical prowess to beat out opponents. Lowry has a decent amount of positional awareness and puck smarts that transition well into the NHL.

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02-14-2013, 11:46 PM
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http://www.whl.ca/schedule/show/game/62419

Olsen with 2G, 1A in a Kelowna 4-1 win.

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02-14-2013, 11:53 PM
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They each play a completely different style of game however.

Plus the average points per game is higher in the OHL than it is in the WHL.
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Olsen with 2G, 1A in a Kelowna 4-1 win.
****... I was hoping to watch that game but forgot... Olsen played well I'm guessing.


Brings Olsen to 29 goals... I said earlier wouldn't it be nice for the Jets to have 4 CHL players with 30+ goals...
Lowry 38 (25 ES)
Olsen 30 (13 ES)
Scheifele 29 (18 ES)
Kosmachuk 29 (19 ES)


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02-14-2013, 11:57 PM
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Olsen just kills it on the PP.

It's been said a ton of times before, but I'll say it again: Great 6th round pickup.

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02-15-2013, 01:28 AM
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Telegin put up better stats last year than Lowry this year. Don't count chickens before they hatch.
I agree, and I still have hope for Telegin, but I do believe as others have alluded to, that Lowry's game as it is translates much better to the pro style in North America. Not to say that I think he is ready right now, but even the coach(es) in St. John's have remarked on how raw Telegin is, and that he has lots of learning to do.

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02-15-2013, 01:30 AM
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Well, the way things are going so far, the 1st rd pick in the draft might be a player even better than what we currently have.

Add the other 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and the prospect cupboard might just be filling up a bit.
Probably what is in the best interests of this franchise to have happen, if we are thinking long term. MacKinnon, Drouin or Barkov would be be very interesting pieces.

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02-15-2013, 02:45 AM
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I still think Telegin has real potential but he played rover in juniors and beat people with his raw talent......he had to actually learn how to play a position when he arrived in St John's. Lowry does not skate as well as Ivan but is light years ahead of him as far as positional awareness and Pro ready style.

However flying high you do provide a cautionary tale for us not to get too far ahead of ourselves. as I have mentioned before the jump to pros (AHL or NHL) can be humbling.

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02-15-2013, 10:28 AM
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6 Points for Scheifele last night

Wow, must be fumming about being sent down by my lowly Jets. Is he really going to get better playing against 16,17 yr olds?

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02-15-2013, 10:36 AM
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Finally uncovered the highlights from Scheif's 6 point night...

http://www.ottawa67s.com/video/index...041834eb79998a

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02-15-2013, 10:58 AM
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Wow, must be fumming about being sent down by my lowly Jets. Is he really going to get better playing against 16,17 yr olds?
All I'm hoping for is that he improves his leadership and gets stronger for next season. It's clear from those highlights that he has the shot and vision to make it, he just needs to be stronger on the puck. Plus leading his team will help his confidence.

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02-15-2013, 11:06 AM
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Finally uncovered the highlights from Scheif's 6 point night...

http://www.ottawa67s.com/video/index...041834eb79998a
ive never understood the fighting with helmets and visors, especially that young. the damage you can do to your hands is unbelievable, and to risk it at such a young age too.

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Wow, must be fumming about being sent down by my lowly Jets. Is he really going to get better playing against 16,17 yr olds?
Don't kid yourself; they are not all 16, 17 year-olds and not every night will be a 6 point night.
As they advance in the playoffs, Barrie will play against tougher teams, with more skilled players, many of whom are Sheif's age or older.
There is still a lot that he needs to accomplish, as he has never before truly dominated the OHL. Here's what I'd like to see:
1)Mental and physical toughness--He is already displaying this by not sulking after being sent down. He needs to be dominant, one way or the other, in every single game. He can bring that mindset to the Jets next year.
2)A finish to the year with a PPG average > 1.8, which would put him in the historical range of those who were true OHL stars. Many, though not all, went on to be great NHL players.
3)Leadership in the playoffs--elevating his teams's play and taking them further down the road to a Memorial Cup than anyone expected.

There is lots that Scheifele can still accomplish that will leave a legacy of OHL success and prepare him mentally and physically for NHL success.

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02-15-2013, 11:38 AM
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Olsen just kills it on the PP.

It's been said a ton of times before, but I'll say it again: Great 6th round pickup.
Problem with that is, what happens when the PP time goes away.

You have to be really really special at it to get any gritty ******* PP time at the pro level.

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02-15-2013, 11:44 AM
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Problem with that is, what happens when the PP time goes away.

You have to be really really special at it to get any gritty ******* PP time at the pro level.
He's an 18 year old that has doubled his goals and points from year one to year two to year three ( and counting ). Very positive.

He has his final year still ahead of him , and it isn't like he just produced as a 19 year old , plus he has good to very good size , nice hands and is responsible defensively. Sure there are questions ,he wasn't drafted in the top 10 for reasons , but he has shown he has a chance if he continues to develop .

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Problem with that is, what happens when the PP time goes away.

You have to be really really special at it to get any gritty ******* PP time at the pro level.
Olsen isn't really what I would call a gritty player however.

He's a big dude that plays a slightly "smaller mans" game. I know statistically it's good to look at 5v5 production, but I think at this point PP gets so disregarded that it's almost underrated.

Can't just stick bad players on a PP and expect success.

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Olsen isn't really what I would call a gritty player however.

He's a big dude that plays a slightly "smaller mans" game. I know statistically it's good to look at 5v5 production, but I think at this point PP gets so disregarded that it's almost underrated.

Can't just stick bad players on a PP and expect success.
The biggest problem with evaluating statistical progress with junior ages is we have very little quantifiable information on usage. It's easy to see with multiple NHL examples as how just a tiny bit of TOI/gp or bit more/less PP time creates a HUGE difference in end result stats.

IMHO, what I think with Olsen is he has progressed and developed, plus there has been some change in usage. In SASK he was 3rd/4th liner C with little-to-no PP, but in KTown he's 2nd line C on the #1PP (they run a PP with Sissons and Franko on the sides with Olsen planting his ass infront of the net). But, as you said, you have to be good to succeed.
If juniors start tracking just TOI and SOG, my life would be complete...

What's neat with Scheifele's improvement is he's always been topline and 1PP, but as the teams depth increased, the first line is probably being leaned on (slightly) less than it was previously.

Sutter IMO has had the opposite effect in Olsen. While I do think he's had some offensive difficulties this season and this is part of the reason for his different usage, being predominately on 4th line and no PP. The fact that Sutter has 3 less ES goals and 4 less ES assists than Olsen (although almost all came from one streak) when one's on the 4th line most of the time and the other is on the 2nd line shows how much usage could potentially change things.

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Olsen isn't really what I would call a gritty player however.

He's a big dude that plays a slightly "smaller mans" game. I know statistically it's good to look at 5v5 production, but I think at this point PP gets so disregarded that it's almost underrated.

Can't just stick bad players on a PP and expect success.
What I mean is, a lot of Olsen's PP production (and thus total production) comes through work in the net front. By no means is it bad to score on the PowerPlay, but it does suggest that PP time could be required for production.

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Lowry with a goal , a fight and the first star in a 2 - 1 victory.

http://www.whl.ca/schedule/show/game/62421

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Lowry with a goal , a fight and the first star in a 2 - 1 victory.

http://www.whl.ca/schedule/show/game/62421
Pretty big year our prospect is having. does the kid ever have an off night? Of the prospects I have followed this is the most consistant night in night out run anyone has had that I can remember? He always shows up.

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Pretty big year our prospect is having. does the kid ever have an off night? Of the prospects I have followed this is the most consistant night in night out run anyone has had that I can remember? He always shows up.
I can't see how this kid isn't going to be a solid NHLer. And it may happen sooner then people think. He looks physically ready and he plays a pro type game. It is going to be fun watching him in camp next year.

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Pretty big year our prospect is having. does the kid ever have an off night? Of the prospects I have followed this is the most consistant night in night out run anyone has had that I can remember? He always shows up.
Consistency , that is something the Jets struggle with , especially when it is scoring for forwards. One the many many positive traits Lowry brings , almost a blueprint kid .

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