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12-11-2012, 10:38 AM
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i'm curious to see this subject brought up on msh and see how it fares.

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would be interesting, lot more professionals on there

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Right... so sharpeners are supposed to individually check every blade with a leveler for every skate that comes into their store in order to save a minimal amount of steel? Just doesn't make sense.... like I said the benefits do not outweigh the negatives. You're taking far more time in order to save a bit more steel that will more than likely be useless when the boot falls apart before the blade is anywhere near done.
If I took my skates into your shop, and found you were wasting MY steel because you're too impatient to check...

I'd be p****d off with you...

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12-11-2012, 01:39 PM
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I pray TieClark never does my skates.

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12-13-2012, 02:59 AM
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He didn't say what level. He could just be meaning juniors in general i.e teenagers. They could be junior A or junior C or even house players.
I meant Junior C, B, and A which is what we have at my rink... but I didn't mean to limit it to that. We have goalies getting a 1/4" cut anywhere from Bantams up to Jr. A/Men's League/High Schoolers. This goes for players as well.

My proshop is inside an ice rink so maybe that's why I see more varied approaches to skate hollows that TieClark does?

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12-13-2012, 03:03 AM
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I should add that I'm, not arguing you can't skip cross grinding... I'm stating that I don't believe you should skip it because the benefits do not outweigh the negatives imo
I skip cross-grinding unless the skates are either new, extremely rusty, severely nicked up, or the edges are so uneven that it would be quicker and more efficient to just cross-grind them first... otherwise I'm just going with the regular grinding stone from the start. FWIW I've been doing this for 10 years (And I'm only 23 now lol) so I've kind of got the way I do it down to a science.

You definitely don't have to cross-grind every skate you get and it's not really needed unless the blades are severely screwed. With the amount of skates that we do here, cross-grinding each pair would hold the line up.

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12-13-2012, 02:26 PM
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I meant Junior C, B, and A which is what we have at my rink... but I didn't mean to limit it to that. We have goalies getting a 1/4" cut anywhere from Bantams up to Jr. A/Men's League/High Schoolers. This goes for players as well.

My proshop is inside an ice rink so maybe that's why I see more varied approaches to skate hollows that TieClark does?
No I'm in the rink as well... That level is play isn't the normal level though. Mostly beer leaguers and young kids with a few practices for high level kids

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If I took my skates into your shop, and found you were wasting MY steel because you're too impatient to check...

I'd be p****d off with you...
You'd be pissed off with nearly every skate sharpening store in the GTA then. Fwiw I'm the most experienced sharpener at my rink with people who come in only when I'm there so it's not as if I'm new to this.

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I skip cross-grinding unless the skates are either new, extremely rusty, severely nicked up, or the edges are so uneven that it would be quicker and more efficient to just cross-grind them first... otherwise I'm just going with the regular grinding stone from the start. FWIW I've been doing this for 10 years (And I'm only 23 now lol) so I've kind of got the way I do it down to a science.

You definitely don't have to cross-grind every skate you get and it's not really needed unless the blades are severely screwed. With the amount of skates that we do here, cross-grinding each pair would hold the line up.
No you don't have to cross grind every skate. My point was the opposite of your last sentence. IMO it drastically saves time to simply cross grind and start fresh on every skate. In order to get through the amount of sharpens that come into a busy establishment you have to be quick while also providing quality sharpens and cross grinding allows for that.

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12-13-2012, 02:33 PM
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Where are you working that you're doing 100 sharpenings in such a "limited time?"

Look, we're obviously not going to change your mind since you work in the largest hockey area in the world and obviously know better than anyone else, however, you dont even want to think about the idea you could be wrong when you're the only one on here stating what you're stating and there are a bunch of other knowledgeable people here stating otherwise? Even when I "know" I'm right, when I start to face 3 or 4 others saying I'm not, I will start to consider the possibility I might be wrong.
I work at a rink in the GTA. When you have 4 rinks full from 8am to 11 pm you can imagine the sharpens that come in.

You also have people on here trying to state that a 1/4" cut is normal for a goalie. I think people are looking at this from a standpoint of doing their own skates are home or in a small mom and pop shop compared to a business that is full constantly. Ideally you'd like to be able to take your time, level the blade before and after sharpening, ensure all the rivets and what not and secured etc. but that isn't realistic when there are a dozen skates waiting to be sharpened.

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I have the opposite issue. I can't seem to find a place that does them sharp enough. I get them done, they feel "ok" for a couple minutes then it goes away. I love a nice deep bite into the ice when I push.

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12-13-2012, 03:06 PM
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I have the opposite issue. I can't seem to find a place that does them sharp enough. I get them done, they feel "ok" for a couple minutes then it goes away. I love a nice deep bite into the ice when I push.
You could try a smaller radius.... Do you know what you get now?

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No I'm in the rink as well... That level is play isn't the normal level though. Mostly beer leaguers and young kids with a few practices for high level kids


You'd be pissed off with nearly every skate sharpening store in the GTA then. Fwiw I'm the most experienced sharpener at my rink with people who come in only when I'm there so it's not as if I'm new to this.


No you don't have to cross grind every skate. My point was the opposite of your last sentence. IMO it drastically saves time to simply cross grind and start fresh on every skate. In order to get through the amount of sharpens that come into a busy establishment you have to be quick while also providing quality sharpens and cross grinding allows for that.
or you learn to sharpen without cross grinding, as most sharpeners do. no need to strip the whole car of paint to fix a rock chip

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I work at a rink in the GTA. When you have 4 rinks full from 8am to 11 pm you can imagine the sharpens that come in.

You also have people on here trying to state that a 1/4" cut is normal for a goalie. I think people are looking at this from a standpoint of doing their own skates are home or in a small mom and pop shop compared to a business that is full constantly. Ideally you'd like to be able to take your time, level the blade before and after sharpening, ensure all the rivets and what not and secured etc. but that isn't realistic when there are a dozen skates waiting to be sharpened.
if you read carefully you will see that people are suggesting that normal for modern goalies are between 1/2 and 1/4

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or you learn to sharpen without cross grinding, as most sharpeners do. no need to strip the whole car of paint to fix a rock chip
There is no learning to do anything, it's the same thing. You're just completely ignorant to the sheer amount of business that goes through these businesses which renders a consistently good sharpen close to impossible without cross grinding

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if you read carefully you will see that people are suggesting that normal for modern goalies are between 1/2 and 1/4
Which also isn't true

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There is no learning to do anything, it's the same thing. You're just completely ignorant to the sheer amount of business that goes through these businesses which renders a consistently good sharpen close to impossible without cross grinding


Which also isn't true
i have been in busy shops, extremely busy shops and they still dont cross grind every pair of skates. your also making an excuse to take an easy way out of the job. a quality sharpening can easily be done without crossgrinding skates

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I <3 my sharp skates, I'm not even that good of a skater but I just feel I have more control when it's really sharp.

If you need to dull them though, what I typically do is go to the doors on the bench and just slide it across the plastic floorboard at the bench doors once or twice in each direction to dull them down. Always does the trick for me.

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12-13-2012, 06:14 PM
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I work at a rink in the GTA. When you have 4 rinks full from 8am to 11 pm you can imagine the sharpens that come in.

You also have people on here trying to state that a 1/4" cut is normal for a goalie. I think people are looking at this from a standpoint of doing their own skates are home or in a small mom and pop shop compared to a business that is full constantly. Ideally you'd like to be able to take your time, level the blade before and after sharpening, ensure all the rivets and what not and secured etc. but that isn't realistic when there are a dozen skates waiting to be sharpened.
LOL nowadays, a normal goalie cut is anywhere from 1/4" - 1/2". I see these hollows for goalies way more than I see 5/8" or more shallow. 10 years ago I saw less goalies getting deep hollows, but even then, they were.

We get tons of sharpenings in our 3 surface rink so I know all about volume. I, personally, take my time leveling each and every skate and I still get it done faster than I would if I cross-grinded every single one. If you're good, you can level the skate off pretty quickly WITHOUT cross-grinding it or using silly gauges. I think it's hilarious when customers ask me if they can see our gauge on their skates lol.

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LOL nowadays, a normal goalie cut is anywhere from 1/4" - 1/2". I see these hollows for goalies way more than I see 5/8" or more shallow. 10 years ago I saw less goalies getting deep hollows, but even then, they were.

We get tons of sharpenings in our 3 surface rink so I know all about volume. I, personally, take my time leveling each and every skate and I still get it done faster than I would if I cross-grinded every single one. If you're good, you can level the skate off pretty quickly WITHOUT cross-grinding it or using silly gauges. I think it's hilarious when customers ask me if they can see our gauge on their skates lol.
Don't bother with the brick wall. He sharpens for the GTA baby!

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You could try a smaller radius.... Do you know what you get now?
Or you could just put more passes on them for him.

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No you don't have to cross grind every skate. My point was the opposite of your last sentence. IMO it drastically saves time to simply cross grind and start fresh on every skate. In order to get through the amount of sharpens that come into a busy establishment you have to be quick while also providing quality sharpens and cross grinding allows for that.
Not true at all. I can get a skate level with an existing hollow faster than it takes to actually cross grind the skate. With the 5 or 6 passes it will take on the cross grinder, I can already be level.

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There is no learning to do anything, it's the same thing. You're just completely ignorant to the sheer amount of business that goes through these businesses which renders a consistently good sharpen close to impossible without cross grinding
Completely false. We handle plenty of tournaments where entire teams want a sharpening before their game in an hour and we dont cross grind and we make sure all the skates are perfect. As a matter of fact, there are days where we're changing steel or doing rivets for these teams at the same time.

Its entirely possible if you have people that know what they're doing.

But Aucoin is right. No sense continuing to argue as we all know that if its a 4 sheet rink in the GTA which is the world center of hockey, and he's the most experienced, then we are all just pawns in his world that dont know what we're talking about.

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LOL nowadays, a normal goalie cut is anywhere from 1/4" - 1/2". I see these hollows for goalies way more than I see 5/8" or more shallow. 10 years ago I saw less goalies getting deep hollows, but even then, they were.

We get tons of sharpenings in our 3 surface rink so I know all about volume. I, personally, take my time leveling each and every skate and I still get it done faster than I would if I cross-grinded every single one. If you're good, you can level the skate off pretty quickly WITHOUT cross-grinding it or using silly gauges. I think it's hilarious when customers ask me if they can see our gauge on their skates lol.
You really should use an edge gauge. It is impossible to eyeball if a skate is completely level. If you can see that the edge is off, it is really off. It is a $100 investment to get a level from Blademaster and it will help to improve the quality of your edges. A dime or a credit card is not an accurate gauge.

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That was another part of it. With regular sharpenings, even at the same shop it was somewhat inconsistent depending on who did it. With FBV, it seems much more consistent. I've only had two "bad" sharpenings with FBV the last few years. Many more than that with regular sharpenings.
What does FBV stand for? What exactly is it?

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Or you could just put more passes on them for him.
Way to take out of context

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LOL nowadays, a normal goalie cut is anywhere from 1/4" - 1/2". I see these hollows for goalies way more than I see 5/8" or more shallow. 10 years ago I saw less goalies getting deep hollows, but even then, they were.
That simply is not the case. 1/4" is severely extreme for either a skater or a goalie.

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We get tons of sharpenings in our 3 surface rink so I know all about volume. I, personally, take my time leveling each and every skate and I still get it done faster than I would if I cross-grinded every single one. If you're good, you can level the skate off pretty quickly WITHOUT cross-grinding it or using silly gauges. I think it's hilarious when customers ask me if they can see our gauge on their skates lol.
Cross grinding takes 2 seconds to do so I seriously doubt that. If it's slow and you have the time the check the level and see if there's any nicks or anything than sure. But when there are 10 skates lined up it's far quicker to just run it through the cross grinder.

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Not true at all. I can get a skate level with an existing hollow faster than it takes to actually cross grind the skate. With the 5 or 6 passes it will take on the cross grinder, I can already be level.
5 or 6 passes? Seriously? No wonder you're whining about taking too much steel off, it takes 2 tops.

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Completely false. We handle plenty of tournaments where entire teams want a sharpening before their game in an hour and we dont cross grind and we make sure all the skates are perfect. As a matter of fact, there are days where we're changing steel or doing rivets for these teams at the same time.

Its entirely possible if you have people that know what they're doing.
We as in several people? Little bit easier when there is a team of staff doing it.


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But Aucoin is right. No sense continuing to argue as we all know that if its a 4 sheet rink in the GTA which is the world center of hockey, and he's the most experienced, then we are all just pawns in his world that dont know what we're talking about.
Sure thing bud. I'm not the one acting high and mighty here.

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just keep making excuses to take the easy way out. what ever would you do without a flat stone

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Sure thing bud. I'm not the one acting high and mighty here.
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5 or 6 passes? Seriously? No wonder you're whining about taking too much steel off, it takes 2 tops.
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We as in several people? Little bit easier when there is a team of staff doing it.
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There is no learning to do anything, it's the same thing. You're just completely ignorant to the sheer amount of business that goes through these businesses which renders a consistently good sharpen close to impossible without cross grinding
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I work at a rink in the GTA. When you have 4 rinks full from 8am to 11 pm you can imagine the sharpens that come in.
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You'd be pissed off with nearly every skate sharpening store in the GTA then. Fwiw I'm the most experienced sharpener at my rink with people who come in only when I'm there so it's not as if I'm new to this.
Yeah, and thats from only one page of this.

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