I hope we sign him, but it may not happen.
Calvin De Haan will either be traded or in the NHL next year.
Matt Donovan will be in the NHL at some point next year if not this year. His Defensive game still needs work.
Nathan McIver, Ty Wishart and Jon Landry can all be released, but based on the coaching staffs camp invites, I have to believe Landry is our top AHL defenseman in their eyes, and that they will try to retain him.
We will likely try to sign, at minimum, Andrey Pedan, maybe Scott Mayfield.
Bottom line: Unless we deal Aaron Ness, I don't see room for Kichton.
I can't see that happening for two reasons. The first is everyone else knows he is a significant injury risk, so his value will be next to nothing. The second reason is it would mean Garth admitting he threw away a whole bunch of picks on a bad choice. Since Garth has allowed his ego to influence/cloud his better judgement I'd say CdH is here to stay, or until he injures out for good.
Right, his value is down he wont be dealt. Also he did say (or in the NHL) I also have to disagree with that. For 3 reasons...
1. Next year is the last year he can be sent down before having to clear waivers.
2. He just hasn't played enough hockey In the 4 seasons (including this one) since the Isles drafted him he has played 170 games (including WJC and playoffs). Thats a little more than 40 per season. And only 63 games the last two seasons as a pro (60 last year and 3 this year).
3. He's trying to come back from a nasty shoulder injury, no way he is introduced back to hockey at a level like the NHL that he has never experienced. Kid needs to show that he is recovered and can log minutes, only place to do that is Bridsgeport. That one is a lock.
Right, his value is down he wont be dealt. Also he did say (or in the NHL) I also have to disagree with that. For 3 reasons...
1. Next year is the last year he can be sent down before having to clear waivers.
2. He just hasn't played enough hockey In the 4 seasons (including this one) since the Isles drafted him he has played 170 games (including WJC and playoffs). Thats a little more than 40 per season. And only 63 games the last two seasons as a pro (60 last year and 3 this year).
3. He's trying to come back from a nasty shoulder injury, no way he is introduced back to hockey at a level like the NHL that he has never experienced. Kid needs to show that he is recovered and can log minutes, only place to do that is Bridsgeport. That one is a lock.
Listen, De Haan can not be counted on for anything. He's got egg shells for shoulders. Most likely he'll be a career minor leaguer. He doesn't bring anything other to the table that the dozen other defensemen we drafted the last 4 years do. Right now he's probably behind 6 or 7 other dmen in the organization. I'd be shocked if we ever see him in another NHL games, at least with the Isles.
Listen, De Haan can not be counted on for anything. He's got egg shells for shoulders. Most likely he'll be a career minor leaguer. He doesn't bring anything other to the table that the dozen other defensemen we drafted the last 4 years do. Right now he's probably behind 6 or 7 other dmen in the organization. I'd be shocked if we ever see him in another NHL games, at least with the Isles.
I doubt the Isles management sees it that way. My feeling is that he is probably still viewed as the 2nd or 3rd best d prospect. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the NHL by midseason next year.
Listen, De Haan can not be counted on for anything. He's got egg shells for shoulders. Most likely he'll be a career minor leaguer. He doesn't bring anything other to the table that the dozen other defensemen we drafted the last 4 years do. Right now he's probably behind 6 or 7 other dmen in the organization. I'd be shocked if we ever see him in another NHL games, at least with the Isles.
I disagree. I think Reinhart and maybe Donovan, are ahead of De Haan on the organization depth chart for defensemen,but that's it.
As InformTheMasses pointed out, he has no real trade value.
I expect to see him in next season's training camp, fighting with the other youngsters for spots.
Listen, De Haan can not be counted on for anything. He's got egg shells for shoulders. Most likely he'll be a career minor leaguer. He doesn't bring anything other to the table that the dozen other defensemen we drafted the last 4 years do. Right now he's probably behind 6 or 7 other dmen in the organization. I'd be shocked if we ever see him in another NHL games, at least with the Isles.
It's impressive how far off you are in this post. The only thing I agree with is the fact that we can't count on him because of the injuries. Other than that I'd easily put him as our #2 defense prospect at this point behind Reinhart. Kid is about as steady a defenseman as you could possibly expect from a PMD. When healthy, he will help this team. I see him as a MacDonald with offensive ability once he gets on the ice.
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A lot of people here obviously haven't seen Calvin de Haan play.
Agreed. If we give up on him this offseason I will be pretty disappointed, especially if it's for scraps or a mediocre draft pick. I still think he'll be a quality NHLer. Hopefully he stays healthy enough next season to prove himself.
Could we give de Haan some of that "clear body lotion" that Barry Bonds and Mark Mcgwire were endorsing several years back?? That lotion seemed to work pretty well and may help de Haan overcome these shoulder problems.
Yeah I posted this earlier. It's pretty amazing. only 3 PP goals against. Very hard thing to do.
Maybe he refused to go out when the top lines were out there. Just joshing, maybe he shut down the scoring line while 5 on 5, and wasn't out there when the 2nd and 3rd lines did the damage 5 on 5. And of course the 3 pp goals as well.
A lot of people here obviously haven't seen Calvin de Haan play.
He could be the next coming of Potvin for all it matters. His injury record is becoming the defining point of his career. How many more injuries with significant loss of time can he sustain before he's done? How much of his development has been undermined by time off? Can he even play one complete season, with NHL sized opponents and punishment, and remain injury free? And by injury free I don't mean no injuries, I mean nothing above average in game days lost.
It is a lot to ask people at this point to believe he will recover from this injury and play any kind of non-Martinek like career, let alone not have it have seriously lowered his ceiling because of all the time wasted in his development.
Jester, how many more season enders would it take for you to close the book on him being a reliable top 4 defenseman?
Reinhart is living good tonight. Throws a cheap elbow after the whistle and takes on two guys, yet somehow gets his team a Powerplay. Then has a shot partially blocked only to have it bounce in front of the net for Lazar to whack it in. Counts as an assist.
Reinhart is living good tonight. Throws a cheap elbow after the whistle and takes on two guys, yet somehow gets his team a Powerplay. Then has a shot partially blocked only to have it bounce in front of the net for Lazar to whack it in. Counts as an assist.
A lot of people here obviously haven't seen Calvin de Haan play.
He would need to be in the lineup before we can catch him play!
I kid, but I am half serious. I suspect the main reason he's getting passed over in a lot fans' minds has more to do with his injury history than his play when healthy. Can he stay healthy enough to develop into an NHLer? Can he stay healthy in the NHL long enough to make any meaningful contribution? These are questions that significantly affect people's opinion of his quality as a prospect, and you really can't blame them for it.
Reinhart is living good tonight. Throws a cheap elbow after the whistle and takes on two guys, yet somehow gets his team a Powerplay. Then has a shot partially blocked only to have it bounce in front of the net for Lazar to whack it in. Counts as an assist.
A lot of people here obviously haven't seen Calvin de Haan play.
Yeah, all you had to do was watch preseason last year to see that the kid can play..it's just a matter of time before he gets a shot (barring injuries of course). I agree De Haan is top 3 for D prospects hands down. His talent has been evident to me when I see him play.
Yeah, all you had to do was watch preseason last year to see that the kid can play..it's just a matter of time before he gets a shot (barring injuries of course). I agree De Haan is top 3 for D prospects hands down. His talent has been evident to me when I see him play.
I agree with you. I definitely had him pegged as the guy who sticks coming out of camp (had there been no lockout). You see what he can do by watching him play and first then does one come to realize how well-rounded his game is.
What we now have to ready ourselves for is that the shoulder problems are going to cut his career short or, in other words, be the difference between him just being a minor-leaguer or NHLer.
Hard to say if these things won't become persistent or chronic. They've definitely played FAR too great a role in his short career to date, thus giving reason to believe they may ultimately be here to stay - and a bump in the road that may not be overcome.
He would need to be in the lineup before we can catch him play!
I kid, but I am half serious. I suspect the main reason he's getting passed over in a lot fans' minds has more to do with his injury history than his play when healthy. Can he stay healthy enough to develop into an NHLer? Can he stay healthy in the NHL long enough to make any meaningful contribution? These are questions that significantly affect people's opinion of his quality as a prospect, and you really can't blame them for it.
The upside is still there, though. When healthy, he is probably our 2nd best defensive prospect. Possibly 3rd, depending on how good Pokka is(haven't seen much, but from what I have seen he looks great).
When/if healthy, he could turn into a top-pairing guy. I don't doubt that for one second. While McDonagh might be a bit of a stretch, I wouldn't be surprised if he turns into that type of player. Or as I said before, a PMD-version of Andrew MacDonald.
Considering this organization is waiting on a handful of prospects to develop before they start their climb in the standings, I would guess deHaan still has plenty of time to get and stay healthy.
