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05-04-2013, 10:10 PM
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Lander has to bring that intensity to the bigs. So does Harti. They're often invisible on the Oilers.
I've always thought Lander was capable of 4th line C this season with good minutes on the PK. You never question his effort. He has finally started to gain confidence in the AHL now offensively, playing with two guys like Hartikainen & Rajala will do that for you.

Hartikainen is the one who disappoints me when he gets time in the NHL. Rather than doing what makes him stand out in OKC he seems to change his approach. He is consistently one of the more physical guys every game here and throws his body around with authority. Yet he gets to EDM and you're lucky if he throws a hit a game.

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05-05-2013, 07:25 AM
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Rajala should get a game or two in NHL next season too, right?

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Rajala should get a game or two in NHL next season too, right?
I hope so.

He's definitely shown he deserves at least a cup of coffee.

Maybe we'll see Rajala-Hall-Yakupov until RNH's shoulder is healed.

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I hope so.

He's definitely shown he deserves at least a cup of coffee.

Maybe we'll see Rajala-Hall-Yakupov until RNH's shoulder is healed.
That could be interesting to say the least.

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05-05-2013, 11:28 PM
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I've always thought Lander was capable of 4th line C this season with good minutes on the PK. You never question his effort. He has finally started to gain confidence in the AHL now offensively, playing with two guys like Hartikainen & Rajala will do that for you.

Hartikainen is the one who disappoints me when he gets time in the NHL. Rather than doing what makes him stand out in OKC he seems to change his approach. He is consistently one of the more physical guys every game here and throws his body around with authority. Yet he gets to EDM and you're lucky if he throws a hit a game.
i think lander might take over the captaincy from green next season; don't know when he will make the step to a regular nhl spot though

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05-08-2013, 05:30 PM
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Not sure where to put it and no major news, but anyway:

Niko Hovinen will not be back with the Oilers according to EP. He has signed with Novokuznetsk in the KHL.

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05-08-2013, 06:44 PM
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Not sure where to put it and no major news, but anyway:

Niko Hovinen will not be back with the Oilers according to EP. He has signed with Novokuznetsk in the KHL.
Well that was a free one year experiment.

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05-08-2013, 07:05 PM
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The numbers might not show it, but at least Roy is having a hell of a playoff run with Stockton.

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Not sure where to put it and no major news, but anyway:

Niko Hovinen will not be back with the Oilers according to EP. He has signed with Novokuznetsk in the KHL.
No big loss. He's been pretty average at best, and that's being generous.

Doubt he lasts long in the KHL, if his AHL and ECHL numbers are any indication.

Much rather have One of Roy/Bunz take the next step, or both.

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05-09-2013, 09:06 AM
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Thought I'd put together some roster thoughts for next season. I'm sure I've made some mistakes in here but oh well.

Guys who will almost certainly be here, already under contract:

Forwards:
Andrew Miller: should be a top 6 guy
Tyler Pitlick: bottom 6/PK guy, next year will be make/break probably
Curtis Hamilton: 4th liner, not very good
Ryan Martindale: decent bottom 6 guy
Toni Rajala: 1st line guy, awesome AHLer
Kristians Pelss: could be a top 6 guy


Defensemen:
Martin Marincin: looked amazing with Schultz, then went downhill a bit. Good 3/4 AHL guy.
Brandon Davidson: Good 3/4 AHL guy also
Oscar Kefblom: Probably start as a bottom pairing AHL guy

Goalies:
Olivier Roy: might be the guy here next year, wasn't great this year


Guys under contract who might make the team:

Travis Ewanyk: looks like a grinder, might get in 4th line rotation but probably ECHL
Kale Kessy: seems like he has a decent shot at the AHL
Cameron Abney: awful
David Musil: I have no idea
Martin Gernat: see Musil, David
Tyler Bunz: meh

RFAs/UFAs who should be resigned:
Mark Arcobello: great AHL guy, could be a decent NHL callup. Should get a min 2-way contract offer from the Oilers IMO, maybe a captaincy
Philippe Cornet: very good AHL guy, worth another 2-way contract
Jonathan Cheechoo: has been amazing, Oilers should look at giving him a 2 way deal and the C in OKC
CJ Stretch: Pretty solid young guy, worth an AHL contract
Randy Jones: solid veteran, would like to see him back

RFAs/UFAs who probably won't be back:
Teemu Hartikainen: would love to have him back but there isn't much chance he stays in the AHL or with the Oilers
Chris Vandevelde: good 4th line AHL guy but isn't worth an NHL roster spot
Antti Tyrvainen: pretty useful AHL guy but isn't worth a veteran spot
Josh Green: has been great, but can't stay healthy. Need more from the veteran spot.
Tanner House: not worth a veteran spot
Colten Teubert: Decent 3/4/5 guy in the AHL, will probably get an offer elsewhere
Taylor Fedun: Decent 2/3/4 AHL guy, would like to see him back but will probably get other offer
Alex Plante: bye
Garrett Stafford: I'm not sure yet but he looks like a good veteran top pairing AHL guy, if he wants to come back, cool
Hotham, McFaull, Leach, Deck, Ringwald: meh
Yann Danis: would really like to see him back but it doesn't seem likely
Niko Hoivonen: bye


That would give us:

Rajala/Arco/Cheechoo
Pelss/?/Cornet
Kessy/Miller/Stretch
Hamilton/Pitlick/Martindale

Jones/?
Marincin/Davidson
Kefblom/?

?/Roy

So, would like to see veteran spots go to a C, a top 2 D, and a goalie. I hope that they go after filling these spots in camp rather than waiting until halfway through the season...the performance of the veteran players in the AHL has a HUGE influence on how well the team does as a whole.

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05-09-2013, 09:09 AM
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If Klefbom does end up in the OKC, and isn't too rusty, he could be that top 2 D.

He and Stafford would make for a solid AHL top pairing, I think.

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05-09-2013, 09:59 AM
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Teemu Hartikainen is so frustrating

8pts in 5 playoff games

yet he cannot translate that success in the NHL

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05-09-2013, 10:24 AM
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I thought MacT mentioned getting a 2/3/4 in the goaltending position

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05-09-2013, 11:19 AM
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Teemu Hartikainen is so frustrating

8pts in 5 playoff games

yet he cannot translate that success in the NHL
Because they're trying to turn him into an NHL scorer, which he isn't. He's a checker who throws hits and plays with an edge. They need to help him simplify his game.

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Teemu Hartikainen is so frustrating

8pts in 5 playoff games

yet he cannot translate that success in the NHL
I agree on Teemu.

He's everything the Oilers need and want in their top 6 (and even in the top 9) but the guy just doesn't bring it at the NHL level. He's been given ample opportunities as well.

Shame if he never develops at the NHL level but unfortunately that's the way it goes with some of these players with so much promise who never seem to put it all together enough to stick in the big show.


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05-09-2013, 11:36 AM
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Because they're trying to turn him into an NHL scorer, which he isn't. He's a checker who throws hits and plays with an edge. They need to help him simplify his game.
I wouldn't say that they are trying to make him a scorer. The fact is he brought no scoring or hitting at the NHL level.

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05-09-2013, 11:48 AM
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Teemu's game in the AHL is really pretty limited: he dominates below the dots in the offensive zone with strength/balance. A good NHL comparison might be Franzen, although Teemu doesn't have the same hands or shot.

The problem I think he's running into is that the stuff he can do in the AHL very well just doesn't translate to the NHL. Defenders are bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter, and so just lowering your shoulder and trying to bludgeon your way to the net isn't going to work unless you're a physical monster, which he isn't.

He does have the size and strength to just be a pure banger (I'd use Ryan Reaves as a comparison) but he doesn't seem interested in playing that role. Should probably note that Reaves took 4 full seasons in the minors before sticking in the NHL, so this isn't necessarily the end of the road for Teemu if he doesn't want it to be.

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Teemu's game in the AHL is really pretty limited: he dominates below the dots in the offensive zone with strength/balance. A good NHL comparison might be Franzen, although Teemu doesn't have the same hands or shot.

The problem I think he's running into is that the stuff he can do in the AHL very well just doesn't translate to the NHL. Defenders are bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter, and so just lowering your shoulder and trying to bludgeon your way to the net isn't going to work unless you're a physical monster, which he isn't.

He does have the size and strength to just be a pure banger (I'd use Ryan Reaves as a comparison) but he doesn't seem interested in playing that role. Should probably note that Reaves took 4 full seasons in the minors before sticking in the NHL, so this isn't necessarily the end of the road for Teemu if he doesn't want it to be.
In all fairness size doesn't seem to be an issue at the NHL level. He dominates behind the net. He just doesn't know how to get to the net or make a play.

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I think they'll give Teemu one more chance to prove he has what it takes at the highest level. If not, well, we'll have to put Derek Zona on suicide watch.

In other news, OKC is up 1-0 on a goal by Arcobello. Second period.

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05-09-2013, 08:45 PM
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I think they'll give Teemu one more chance to prove he has what it takes at the highest level. If not, well, we'll have to put Derek Zona on suicide watch.

In other news, OKC is up 1-0 on a goal by Arcobello. Second period.
Bum me a stream?

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05-09-2013, 10:15 PM
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Barons beat the Stars 2-1 about one minute into OT on Lander's goal.

I'm really glad to see these guys doing well.

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Teemu's biggest problem at the NHL level is his skating. He's just too slow to consistently make hits or get to open spaces, and the scouting report now is that it's okay for him to be a bully behind the net because he can't make NHL-level plays coming out of the corners.

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Teemu's biggest problem at the NHL level is his skating. He's just too slow to consistently make hits or get to open spaces, and the scouting report now is that it's okay for him to be a bully behind the net because he can't make NHL-level plays coming out of the corners.
Agreed.

His skating needs to be his main focus in the off-season.

But his chemistry with Lander is a big positive. Both of these guys have the ability to get under their opponent's skin. So if they're able to keep up with the play at the NHL level, a fourth line of Hartikainen-Lander-Brown could be in the cards in the near future.

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Teemu's biggest problem at the NHL level is his skating. He's just too slow to consistently make hits or get to open spaces, and the scouting report now is that it's okay for him to be a bully behind the net because he can't make NHL-level plays coming out of the corners.
Same with Lander. Hopefully they both make strides this off season in the skating department.

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