HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > International Tournaments
International Tournaments Discuss international tournaments such as the World Juniors, Olympic hockey, and Ice Hockey World Championships, as they take place; or discuss past tournaments.

Roster Talk '13 — Canada 2.0

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-08-2012, 10:11 PM
  #351
jedimyrmidon
Registered User
 
jedimyrmidon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesfan94 View Post
Can we take Tyler Myers back? Let's not pretend that numerous countries have players born in other places. Sorenson for Sweden this year is another example. Either way, I was just saying that it would be kinda ironic. Nothing against Canada.
I have to admit, it bugs me a little that the children of Canadian players born in the US then play for the US because their father played in the NHL on a US team... feels like the US is taking Canadian talent, and growing their talent pool by having many good Canadians playing in the States.

jedimyrmidon is offline  
Old
12-08-2012, 10:22 PM
  #352
Atomos2
The Center of Hockey
 
Atomos2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Guelph, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,615
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedimyrmidon View Post
Don't think anyone is claiming he's the best defensive defenseman period. I don't see why he couldn't be considered a good defenseman defensively on the Kitchener Rangers.

I think you're a Leafs fan. Surely you can see the parallel with a player like Rielly.
Don't know what being a Leafs fan has to do with it, but yes Rielly isn't great defensively either. Although with Rielly it's more about the play without the puck and being less physical. Murphy despite his size is actually physical to some degree although its more about hip checks. I'd say he is a good defensive defenceman on Kitchener although I wouldn't say the best defensive dman, I just don't like someone saying his defensive game is elite just because Kitchener has allowed the fewest goals in the OHL. There's a whole lot of pieces to the penalty kill that others don't see, and saying he's "great by association" doesn't tell the whole story.

Atomos2 is offline  
Old
12-08-2012, 10:34 PM
  #353
Atomos2
The Center of Hockey
 
Atomos2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Guelph, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,615
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnicks17 View Post
He said he was the best defenseman defensively on Kitchener.

That's definitely not a stretch.
It's about what was implied. Sometimes it's the words we don't say that have the greatest effect.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Faidh ar Rud Eigin View Post
Sproul isn't any better defensively (Murphy is the best defensemen defensively, on the best defensive team in the CHL). Sproul is a longshot, especially considering almost all the defensemen who are locks have a strong offensive game except Harrington. Murphy and Rielly will get the PP time, Murphy and Rielly will anchour the defense on their respective scoring lines. They don't need Sproul.
A player is better or equally as good defensively as another player because his team is more defensive than that other player's team.


Last edited by Atomos2: 12-08-2012 at 10:42 PM.
Atomos2 is offline  
Old
12-08-2012, 10:41 PM
  #354
jedimyrmidon
Registered User
 
jedimyrmidon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomos2 View Post
Don't know what being a Leafs fan has to do with it, but yes Rielly isn't great defensively either. Although with Rielly it's more about the play without the puck and being less physical. Murphy despite his size is actually physical to some degree although its more about hip checks. I'd say he is a good defensive defenceman on Kitchener although I wouldn't say the best defensive dman, I just don't like someone saying his defensive game is elite just because Kitchener has allowed the fewest goals in the OHL. There's a whole lot of pieces to the penalty kill that others don't see, and saying he's "great by association" doesn't tell the whole story.
Yeah, I agree. The Leafs fan thing was just referring to Rielly coming under similar criticism, and those most likely to "defend" him are obviously Leafs fans. I was just trying to draw an analogy.

jedimyrmidon is offline  
Old
12-08-2012, 11:02 PM
  #355
newfy
Registered User
 
newfy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,542
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 View Post
100% want Murphy on my team over Sproul. HF Boards can hate Murphy all they want but he's a game breaker who's played great in big games before (phenomenal playoffs player, great at the under 18s). I would have had him on my team last year.
Well as of tonight with 3 more Sproul has 21 points in 15 games compared to Murphys 22 in 30 games. 1 more point in 15 more games played and less goals. Both are elite skaters, but one is 6'4 and the other is 5'10.

Mark Edwards and Brendan Ross both think he should be there on the team. I should clarify that I dont think it should necessarily be over Murphy, because I wouldnt mind both being there but if its one or the other in that PP specialist role how can you argue against Sproul right now?

Team Canada hasnt done well the last couple of years and a big part of that is taking the coach's players instead of the best players. Cizikas over RNH for example. You need to take the players who are playing like they deserve it and Sproul is on an absolute tear

newfy is offline  
Old
12-08-2012, 11:37 PM
  #356
Faidh ar Rud Eigin
Modhnóirí Claonta
 
Faidh ar Rud Eigin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Transcendent
Country: Guernsey
Posts: 15,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by newfy View Post
Well as of tonight with 3 more Sproul has 21 points in 15 games compared to Murphys 22 in 30 games. 1 more point in 15 more games played and less goals. Both are elite skaters, but one is 6'4 and the other is 5'10.

Mark Edwards and Brendan Ross both think he should be there on the team. I should clarify that I dont think it should necessarily be over Murphy, because I wouldnt mind both being there but if its one or the other in that PP specialist role how can you argue against Sproul right now?

Team Canada hasnt done well the last couple of years and a big part of that is taking the coach's players instead of the best players. Cizikas over RNH for example. You need to take the players who are playing like they deserve it and Sproul is on an absolute tear
I really don't see why stats matter. So what? Does that make Sproul a better choice? A better player? No it doesn't. Ritchie's stats dwarf Faksa's, most of us Dallas fans (Other than a few manic moments when people are hoping for another Benn) don't think Ritchie's a better prospect/player.

Sproul isn't an elite skater, he's a good skater, not elite. Elite means you have elite speed, agility, acceleration. Sproul doesn't have elite any of those. Murphy does. Size doesn't really matter when you have elite skating, infact Murphy draws a lot of penalties with his size. Besides, he's closer to 6'0 than he is 5'10, not that it would matter anyway.

The reason you can argue against Sproul is he's not needed. Canada has 3 virtual locks who can play the powerplay (Rielly, Murphy, Hamilton), all who will get ice time on the powerplay over Sproul. And since RNH is going, that'll lock up the point powerplay slots for Rielly, Murphy, Hamilton and RNH. Why waste a 7th defensemen spot on a guy like that, take a guy like Dumba who can play any role.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomos2 View Post
Huh?

He better have stats in the world junior games. I don't care about his talent level. If he doesn't produce, how can you justify bringing him? I want to win, I don't want to watch a player dangle around the ice and then lose the puck so the other team can score a few seconds later.

And you really need to stop this best defensive player-best defensive team thing. He's barely even a plus player. He's not terrible defensively (although I definitely wouldn't sign him up to put him on my Team Canada penalty kill), but there is no way he's the defensive shutdown guy you're making him out to be.
Everytime, you bring up "Well he better play good at the World Juniors...". So what? Why is that a point, you can say that for any player. Murphy's lack of production stems from not having any teammates who can finish, which is the most important thing for a defensemen offensively.

RNH was a long shot to make Team Canada that year, Cizikas was a favourite going in because it was his coach, and he was the prototypical Team Canada bottom six player. Sproul may be playing good but it doesn't warrant a spot when his role is filled by players who are locks.

Faidh ar Rud Eigin is online now  
Old
12-09-2012, 12:17 AM
  #357
Atomos2
The Center of Hockey
 
Atomos2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Guelph, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,615
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faidh ar Rud Eigin View Post
Everytime, you bring up "Well he better play good at the World Juniors...". So what? Why is that a point, you can say that for any player. Murphy's lack of production stems from not having any teammates who can finish, which is the most important thing for a defensemen offensively.

RNH was a long shot to make Team Canada that year, Cizikas was a favourite going in because it was his coach, and he was the prototypical Team Canada bottom six player. Sproul may be playing good but it doesn't warrant a spot when his role is filled by players who are locks.
You're right, you can say that for every player, but usually the players picked have the stats to back up that prediction. With Murphy you are hoping for him to be productive in the tournament based on talent alone over talent and productivity. You can make excuses if you want, Rielly gets a lot of excuses too from Leaf fans like me for playing on a weaker team with not much scoring depth, but he still manages to put up points. So that shouldn't be used as an excuse.

Believe it or not, I am a fan of Murphy. It's just that you are trying to put this holy veil over top of him to make it seem like he can do no wrong and he's the most amazing player both offensively (except doesn't have the stats because his teams not good enough to score) and defensively (which is all his doing because his team is the best defensive team in the CHL) and never makes mistakes (except for those times where it's the goalies fault, or its his partners fault or its the back checkers fault). Instead you should respect him for the player that he is and the talent he has. He's still learning. He'll get better when he makes it to the NHL. Being the 7th dman, pp specialist and X factor on team Canada. Isn't an insult, its just the way I feel will maximize Murphy's potential in a way that can hopefully ensure a victory for Team Canada. In no way did I ever call Murphy a bad player.

Atomos2 is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 12:23 AM
  #358
newfy
Registered User
 
newfy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,542
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faidh ar Rud Eigin View Post
I really don't see why stats matter. So what? Does that make Sproul a better choice? A better player? No it doesn't. Ritchie's stats dwarf Faksa's, most of us Dallas fans (Other than a few manic moments when people are hoping for another Benn) don't think Ritchie's a better prospect/player.

Sproul isn't an elite skater, he's a good skater, not elite. Elite means you have elite speed, agility, acceleration. Sproul doesn't have elite any of those. Murphy does. Size doesn't really matter when you have elite skating, infact Murphy draws a lot of penalties with his size. Besides, he's closer to 6'0 than he is 5'10, not that it would matter anyway.
Brett Ritchie at this moment in time is a better player than Faksa in junior though. He has size to bully physically immature players and whether or not that translates to the NHL is irrelevant because junior is what matters for this tournament. Those 2 are a bad example though because of Faksas 2 way game. Murphy and Sproul both are not shut down d men, but theyre both supposed to produce points. Sproul is absolutely tearing up right now and Murphy isnt producing on the same level as him.

Sproul is a borderline elite skater, you wont find many dmen who skate decisively better but hes got a cannon from the point on the PP. I just read a quote today about him going stride for stride with Ho Sang who is considered an absolute burner. And when you have 5 or 6 inches on a guy, you might look slower or have a slower step but youve also got a much longer reach to compensate.

You keep saying Murphy is a lock but why is that? They want both of them for a PP role and you know who is putting up more points in that role this season? Sproul and its not even remotely close, hes doubling him up. The only reason Murphy should be considered a "lock" is because his coach is coaching. He might make it for that reason, but thats about the only reason he should be ahead of Sproul in that role right now.

I dont care if Murphy can skate faster and dangle around guys better because its for nothing if youre not going to put up points in that role. Murphy isnt really even having a notable year whatsoever offensively especially since hes 2 seasons removed from his draft year and Sproul is outproducing him big time

newfy is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 12:38 AM
  #359
GuillaumeLetsundress
Formerly Pheramone
 
GuillaumeLetsundress's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 947
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by newfy View Post
Brett Ritchie at this moment in time is a better player than Faksa in junior though. He has size to bully physically immature players and whether or not that translates to the NHL is irrelevant because junior is what matters for this tournament. Those 2 are a bad example though because of Faksas 2 way game. Murphy and Sproul both are not shut down d men, but theyre both supposed to produce points. Sproul is absolutely tearing up right now and Murphy isnt producing on the same level as him.

Sproul is a borderline elite skater, you wont find many dmen who skate decisively better but hes got a cannon from the point on the PP. I just read a quote today about him going stride for stride with Ho Sang who is considered an absolute burner. And when you have 5 or 6 inches on a guy, you might look slower or have a slower step but youve also got a much longer reach to compensate.

You keep saying Murphy is a lock but why is that? They want both of them for a PP role and you know who is putting up more points in that role this season? Sproul and its not even remotely close, hes doubling him up. The only reason Murphy should be considered a "lock" is because his coach is coaching. He might make it for that reason, but thats about the only reason he should be ahead of Sproul in that role right now.

I dont care if Murphy can skate faster and dangle around guys better because its for nothing if youre not going to put up points in that role. Murphy isnt really even having a notable year whatsoever offensively especially since hes 2 seasons removed from his draft year and Sproul is outproducing him big time
get over it murphy will be on team canada sproul wont, murphy is the better prospect than sproul, sweet.

GuillaumeLetsundress is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 12:48 AM
  #360
Faidh ar Rud Eigin
Modhnóirí Claonta
 
Faidh ar Rud Eigin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Transcendent
Country: Guernsey
Posts: 15,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by newfy View Post
Brett Ritchie at this moment in time is a better player than Faksa in junior though. He has size to bully physically immature players and whether or not that translates to the NHL is irrelevant because junior is what matters for this tournament. Those 2 are a bad example though because of Faksas 2 way game. Murphy and Sproul both are not shut down d men, but theyre both supposed to produce points. Sproul is absolutely tearing up right now and Murphy isnt producing on the same level as him.

Sproul is a borderline elite skater, you wont find many dmen who skate decisively better but hes got a cannon from the point on the PP. I just read a quote today about him going stride for stride with Ho Sang who is considered an absolute burner. And when you have 5 or 6 inches on a guy, you might look slower or have a slower step but youve also got a much longer reach to compensate.

You keep saying Murphy is a lock but why is that? They want both of them for a PP role and you know who is putting up more points in that role this season? Sproul and its not even remotely close, hes doubling him up. The only reason Murphy should be considered a "lock" is because his coach is coaching. He might make it for that reason, but thats about the only reason he should be ahead of Sproul in that role right now.

I dont care if Murphy can skate faster and dangle around guys better because its for nothing if youre not going to put up points in that role. Murphy isnt really even having a notable year whatsoever offensively especially since hes 2 seasons removed from his draft year and Sproul is outproducing him big time
Brett Ritchie was the definition of inconsistent before this season. No he's not a better players because he found chemistry with the best player in the OHL. But no, it's not a bad example. Faksa and Murphy are both 1st round picks, highly regarded players. Ritchie and Sproul are solid prospects, not in their territory. Production doesn't change that.

I don't know why you think Sproul is an elite or "borderline" elite skater. He's a good skater, let's not go farther than that, he doesn't have elite speed, he doesn't have elite agility, he doesn't have elite acceleration. He's got good speeding for a big man, but compare him to any elite skater, he's not close. And if you persist on calling him that, then you must have a very liberal opinion of the term elite.

Why is Murphy a lock? Because he's one of the best defensemen in camp, the head coach trusts him defensively, and he's one of the most dynamic players available. Again, I have no idea where you're getting this "they want him for this role, which they also want Sproul for." Spott hasn't said this, team Canada hasn't said this. You want your teams prospect to go when he's outclassed by better players who are filling the role and will play ES minutes as well.

Your whole arguement is based on Sproul having better stats than Murphy. Doesn't mean he's a better player, definitely doesn't mean he's the better choice. Sproul can fill one role, PP specialist. He's not going to get minutes ES, but there's better choices to play on the powerplay, Murphy, Rielly, Hamilton etc. There is zero need for a PP specialist, they have guys who will play ES and do that job, the aforementioned players. Sproul is in the same boat as Corrado, unlikely to make the team.

There's really only 2 defense spots open, one that's going to Reinhart most likely and one that will go to the best defensemen in camp not named Murphy, Rielly, Hamilton, Reinhart, Ouellet, Harrington (Though it should go to a player who can fill any role if needed).

Faidh ar Rud Eigin is online now  
Old
12-09-2012, 02:52 AM
  #361
deakka
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Country: Sweden
Posts: 1,748
vCash: 500
Sounds like Poulliot has ~0% chance of making the team, and even tho im a pens fan i dont think he has much of a shot either.
But why was he even invited then? for the experience?
Maybe Team Canada will go with more offensive minded guys than we all speculating, seeing the tournament are played on international ice this year? Seems like there are too many options for the "offensive PP specialist" if the only gonna pick 1 of them.

Would be better as someone said to have another option for the 7th "all-round" defender in that case.

deakka is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 03:05 AM
  #362
Lay Z Boy GM
Registered User
 
Lay Z Boy GM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: West coast
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,284
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedimyrmidon View Post
I have to admit, it bugs me a little that the children of Canadian players born in the US then play for the US because their father played in the NHL on a US team... feels like the US is taking Canadian talent, and growing their talent pool by having many good Canadians playing in the States.
Meh. It's up to the player in my opinion. If you grew up in the States and you want to play for them internationally, then by all means do it.

Lay Z Boy GM is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 03:45 AM
  #363
dnicks17
Moderator
.
 
dnicks17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,969
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by deakka View Post
Sounds like Poulliot has ~0% chance of making the team, and even tho im a pens fan i dont think he has much of a shot either.
But why was he even invited then? for the experience?
Maybe Team Canada will go with more offensive minded guys than we all speculating, seeing the tournament are played on international ice this year? Seems like there are too many options for the "offensive PP specialist" if the only gonna pick 1 of them.

Would be better as someone said to have another option for the 7th "all-round" defender in that case.
I'm assuming he's there for the experience. They're grooming him for next year.

He'll be hands down the best left-handed offensive '94 defenseman available for next year's WJC assuming Rielly makes the Leafs roster.

Who knows though? He could probably play his way onto this year's roster with a really good camp.

dnicks17 is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 06:50 AM
  #364
clarkebr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 232
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedimyrmidon View Post
I have to admit, it bugs me a little that the children of Canadian players born in the US then play for the US because their father played in the NHL on a US team... feels like the US is taking Canadian talent, and growing their talent pool by having many good Canadians playing in the States.

It all goes to the root of american scholarships. When you attract elite world wide talent, some of it stays. It kills me to have our homegrown east coast Al Mc Innis's son play for USA. Same as it did Parise and Bourque and a littany of others.

clarkebr is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 08:25 AM
  #365
Leaf Rocket
Leaf Fan Till I Die
 
Leaf Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fredericton, NB
Country: India
Posts: 69,564
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkebr View Post
It all goes to the root of american scholarships. When you attract elite world wide talent, some of it stays. It kills me to have our homegrown east coast Al Mc Innis's son play for USA. Same as it did Parise and Bourque and a littany of others.
Paul and Yan stastny would another case.

__________________
Leaf Rocket is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 08:49 AM
  #366
kyle44
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 175
vCash: 500
Now that Sissons has gone down, I really don't see why they can't bring in a guy like Lepisic. They though enough of him to invite him to the summer camp (even though he did take a few dumb penalties) and he can play that bottom six role, couple that with the great offensive year he's having and I feel he's deserving of at least an invite.

kyle44 is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 10:54 AM
  #367
Roughneck
Registered User
 
Roughneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Calgary
Country: Ireland
Posts: 8,610
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Roughneck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leaf Rocket View Post
Paul and Yan stastny would another case.
Seems odd to complain about the U.S. taking 'Canadian' players by virtue of where their dad played pro hockey but claim the Stastny's as our own

Roughneck is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 11:08 AM
  #368
truefan8993
Registered User
 
truefan8993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Country: United States
Posts: 276
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faidh ar Rud Eigin View Post
Big difference between Myers and Galchenyuk. Myers wouldn't have been a professional hockey player if he didn't move to Canada; his own words. Galchenyuk would have been just as good if he played for Sarnia's minor team at 15 instead of Chicago's (Age 15 was his only year he ever played in the United States).

Sorenson has a similar situation.
Galchenyuk is only an American citizen, so playing for the US is very reasonable to me.

truefan8993 is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 11:28 AM
  #369
newfy
Registered User
 
newfy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,542
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheramone View Post
get over it murphy will be on team canada sproul wont, murphy is the better prospect than sproul, sweet.
I know it will most likely happen, but thats the problem with team Canada and part of the reason they havent won gold in a while. Somethings gotta change. Murphy is a better prospect but isnt better right now is the problem but the fact that hes a higher pick will put him on the team.

Not looking at name value would you take the 6'4 defender with 5 goals and 21 points in 15 games played or the 5'11 one with 22 points in 30 games with less goals for the offensive role. Neither have shut down ability and both have skating where it won't hinder them on international ice.

And its not like Sproul is chopped liver, he was a second round pick that came out of nowhere from the start of the season and almost climbed into the first round. Then he led the OHL in goals for dmen last season.

Its stupid to think Murphy should get that spot but he probably will based on his draft spot or his coach coaching

newfy is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 11:35 AM
  #370
james30
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 251
vCash: 500
Keep in mind that the tryout, games vs. CIS, and all games in Europe will be played on Olympic ice!

james30 is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 11:36 AM
  #371
darmitage
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 40
vCash: 500
Hope NHL lock out don,t end all year fans should just stay away from the games, players aren,t giving the fans a 2nd thought!

also then Canada can win gold medal without greedy NHL not allowing 18 year old players to play for there country that is not right!

darmitage is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 11:56 AM
  #372
Faidh ar Rud Eigin
Modhnóirí Claonta
 
Faidh ar Rud Eigin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Transcendent
Country: Guernsey
Posts: 15,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan8993 View Post
Galchenyuk is only an American citizen, so playing for the US is very reasonable to me.
This isn't true. He said he doesn't use his Russian passport, which some people took to meaning he doesn't have/renouced his Russian citizenship. Which isn't true. He got his Russian citizenship because his mother is Russian and his father is Belarussian/Russian. He said he gave up his passport to get reporters off his back about possibly playing for Russia.

I really don't know where people got this. It's not true. Galchenyuk has Russian citizenship, he has used his American passport since last year however.

Faidh ar Rud Eigin is online now  
Old
12-09-2012, 12:52 PM
  #373
dnicks17
Moderator
.
 
dnicks17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,969
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by newfy View Post
I know it will most likely happen, but thats the problem with team Canada and part of the reason they havent won gold in a while. Somethings gotta change. Murphy is a better prospect but isnt better right now is the problem but the fact that hes a higher pick will put him on the team.

Not looking at name value would you take the 6'4 defender with 5 goals and 21 points in 15 games played or the 5'11 one with 22 points in 30 games with less goals for the offensive role. Neither have shut down ability and both have skating where it won't hinder them on international ice.

And its not like Sproul is chopped liver, he was a second round pick that came out of nowhere from the start of the season and almost climbed into the first round. Then he led the OHL in goals for dmen last season.

Its stupid to think Murphy should get that spot but he probably will based on his draft spot or his coach coaching
I(and the majority of other OHL followers) would say he most definitely is.

You're reading way too much into stats.

Murphy is a better skater(it's not close), more dynamic offensively and better defensively. It's for those reasons he'll make the team over Sproul, not because of his draft position or the coach picking the team.

dnicks17 is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 12:56 PM
  #374
jedimyrmidon
Registered User
 
jedimyrmidon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 613
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lay Z Boy GM View Post
Meh. It's up to the player in my opinion. If you grew up in the States and you want to play for them internationally, then by all means do it.
Heh, of course, I'm not saying they shouldn't have the choice. I just get a bit miffed that the US is getting what is essentially 'Canadian' talent:

Canadian father gets drafted by a US-based team (23 of 30) -> has children there -> child is essentially American and then often chooses to play for them internationally

Because 23 of 30 are in the US, it really is noticeable how over time, certain families stay in the US. Good way to get talent and interest in the game. Not so good for Canada.

As for Galchenyuk, he has lived abroad for much of his life so he's hardly American. Anyways, it's great that he decided to play for the US, but he's definitely not like the other players on that team.

jedimyrmidon is offline  
Old
12-09-2012, 01:09 PM
  #375
Nash
Registered User
 
Nash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: North Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,851
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedimyrmidon View Post
Heh, of course, I'm not saying they shouldn't have the choice. I just get a bit miffed that the US is getting what is essentially 'Canadian' talent:

Canadian father gets drafted by a US-based team (23 of 30) -> has children there -> child is essentially American and then often chooses to play for them internationally

Because 23 of 30 are in the US, it really is noticeable how over time, certain families stay in the US. Good way to get talent and interest in the game. Not so good for Canada.

As for Galchenyuk, he has lived abroad for much of his life so he's hardly American. Anyways, it's great that he decided to play for the US, but he's definitely not like the other players on that team.
Nostalgically it hurts to see that name on the back of their sweater with a USA logo on the front, but I have zero problem with it when they were born, raised and developed in the USA. Zack Parise is unquestionably American.

It's the mercenaries with dual citizenship that are irksome. When it's imported players who you didn't develop or had very little development involvement, it bothers me to see them abandon their roots for an easier opportunity to play on a national team...like Brett Hull...or Nedved playing for Canada.

Nash is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:11 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.