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I am not a Habs fan, in fact they are my most disliked team, but I just don't see themt trading Price, especially to a division rival like the Leafs, for anything but an amazing deal.
This deal would have to include either a top line forward or prospect or a top pairing D or prospect. The only one the Leafs have is Reilly so he has to be in the deal, no other way around it. It then has to include a high quality 2nd line forward or prospect or #2-3 D or prospect.
Any of these prospects need to be ready for the NHL right now.
Then on top of that I would need a good player to tip the scales in my favor plus I would need a pick as a tax for trading him within the division.
I would want Reilly, Kadri, Lupul, and a 1st to even start thinking about it otherwise I would more than gladly keep one of the top few goaltenders in the league and best player on either team.
I am not a Habs fan, in fact they are my most disliked team, but I just don't see themt trading Price, especially to a division rival like the Leafs, for anything but an amazing deal.
This deal would have to include either a top line forward or prospect or a top pairing D or prospect. The only one the Leafs have is Reilly so he has to be in the deal, no other way around it. It then has to include a high quality 2nd line forward or prospect or #2-3 D or prospect.
Any of these prospects need to be ready for the NHL right now.
Then on top of that I would need a good player to tip the scales in my favor plus I would need a pick as a tax for trading him within the division.
I would want Reilly, Kadri, Lupul, and a 1st to even start thinking about it otherwise I would more than gladly keep one of the top few goaltenders in the league and best player on either team.
How many top few goaltender are in the league? could you name them?
I am not a Habs fan, in fact they are my most disliked team, but I just don't see themt trading Price, especially to a division rival like the Leafs, for anything but an amazing deal.
This deal would have to include either a top line forward or prospect or a top pairing D or prospect. The only one the Leafs have is Reilly so he has to be in the deal, no other way around it. It then has to include a high quality 2nd line forward or prospect or #2-3 D or prospect.
Any of these prospects need to be ready for the NHL right now.
Then on top of that I would need a good player to tip the scales in my favor plus I would need a pick as a tax for trading him within the division.
I would want Reilly, Kadri, Lupul, and a 1st to even start thinking about it otherwise I would more than gladly keep one of the top few goaltenders in the league and best player on either team.
Sorry, but Lupul and Kadri should not be mentioned as part of any deal going to Montreal. Kadri is too small, and Lupul is too injury prone. We are moving away from those types of players and neither one should be offered to us, especially in a deal for our most valuable player.
Correct. Toronto should NOT make that deal. It is what would be asked, though. So, we have now established that Price is not being moved. If only we could convince Palindrom to stop tossing Price around for scraps, maybes, and never will bes, all Habs fans would be happier...sigh...
Sorry, but Lupul and Kadri should not be mentioned as part of any deal going to Montreal. Kadri is too small, and Lupul is too injury prone. We are moving away from those types of players and neither one should be offered to us, especially in a deal for our most valuable player.
Sorry, what I meant was that is what is needed for Montreal to begin to even discuss the possibility of moving Price and it would likely take more.
I don't know why the habs would trade Price at all. Many of the best teams are built from the net out. Has there ever been a great team without an at least very good goaltender? Maybe Detroit but i can't think of anyone else.
Montreal has that right now, they have some very nice pieces to build around and Price is the best one. I wouldn't trade him for anything unless it was so overwhelmingly in my favor that I couldn't refuse.
20131st+20141st+Nazem Kadri+James Reimer+Carter Ashton for Carey Price?
Still seems pretty bad to me....
Your not even remotely close keep trying....and there is absolutly no way the habs would trade one of the best goalies in the world to there biggest rivals.
Just a note to remember, the deal i did with a Toronto fan (Phion Keneuf) is:
Rielly + Reimer + Kadri + Colborne for Price
Colborne and Kadri are basically worthless to the Habs unless they can play wing. We have at least 4 centers that should be better than them now and in the future. Not saying they are bad prospects (altho I have my doubts about Kadri and I don't think Colborne will amount to much) but there is such a difference in caliber and use to a team compare to Price that they are basically throw ins.
Price is so much better than Reimer, its quite the downgrade and we'll have to start looking for a no1 goalie right away.
Rielly is a very nice prospect but getting doesn't offset the loss of a no1 goalie that can play 70 games a year.
The only ''positive'' with your trade is that it sets the Habs back so much we'd likely pick top5 for the next 10 years.
lmao, why is this thread even a thing? And why do people appear to be taking it seriously?
Carey Price is one of the most untradeable players in the league, let alone to Toronto (who would have to gut the team to put an offer together). This is coming from a Leafs fan by the way.
Colborne and Kadri are basically worthless to the Habs unless they can play wing. We have at least 4 centers that should be better than them now and in the future. Not saying they are bad prospects (altho I have my doubts about Kadri and I don't think Colborne will amount to much) but there is such a difference in caliber and use to a team compare to Price that they are basically throw ins.
Price is so much better than Reimer, its quite the downgrade and we'll have to start looking for a no1 goalie right away.
Rielly is a very nice prospect but getting doesn't offset the loss of a no1 goalie that can play 70 games a year.
The only ''positive'' with your trade is that it sets the Habs back so much we'd likely pick top5 for the next 10 years.
Uh, look guy I agree this whole thread is ridiculous but saying Kadri and Colborne would be worthless to the Habs is silly. First of all most Leafs fans agree that Kadri is probably better suited to play on the wing in the NHL. Secondly, having four centers does not make a center prospect worthless. That's not how prospects work. Boston has arguably the best goalie duo in the league and they drafted a goalie in the 1st round. Phoenix has poor center depth and a great defenseive core (including prospects) and they traded Turris for Rundblad. I could go on and on... It's not like the Habs are some amazing team on the brink of a Cup, they finished last in the East. Both players would absolutely have value to the Habs, not enough to make this thread any less ridiculous and silly, but they still have value.
Uh, look guy I agree this whole thread is ridiculous but saying Kadri and Colborne would be worthless to the Habs is silly. First of all most Leafs fans agree that Kadri is probably better suited to play on the wing in the NHL. Secondly, having four centers does not make a center prospect worthless.
Thing is the Habs need quality, not quantity. What use is Kadri, even as a winger, if we have multiple 2nd line winger prospects close to the NHL? With Leblanc, Gallagher, Kristo, Collberg, Hudon ect. I don't see how Kadri fills a need. He might end up better than some of them but he doesn't add much.
Same with Colborne, at best he'll challenge to become third line center but even then, our top4 centers are all better and we have other more defensive oriented center prospects as well for the bottom 6.
You don't trade your best player for depth players. They simply don't add much, and hence are pretty much worthless. I'd be happy to have them as prospects but I don't see them as valuable trade pieces in this context. No offense meant to Leafs prospect pool.
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That's not how prospects work. Boston has arguably the best goalie duo in the league and they drafted a goalie in the 1st round. Phoenix has poor center depth and a great defenseive core (including prospects) and they traded Turris for Rundblad. I could go on and on... It's not like the Habs are some amazing team on the brink of a Cup, they finished last in the East. Both players would absolutely have value to the Habs, not enough to make this thread any less ridiculous and silly, but they still have value.
Your Boston example : Thomas might have played his last game as a Bruins already and goalies notoriously take a while to develop. Furthermore, at draft its better to simply go BPA and never draft by need. I don't think its a good example. As for Rundblad he's probably the best player offered for Turris, quite simply.
I know what you mean but its purely a case of quantity vs quality. These two players the Leafs are handing out have little chance in the Habs prospect pool. Please note I said Rielly was a good piece to base a Price trade around, and that is despite that the Habs have a good defense prospect pool. Rielly would become our best defense prospect and thus strengthen the team's future (both short and long term). Kadri and Colborne (especially Colborne) would have little impact short term and likely none long term because we have so many players with similar (or better) potential.
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Originally Posted by MastuhNinks
lmao, why is this thread even a thing? And why do people appear to be taking it seriously?
Carey Price is one of the most untradeable players in the league, let alone to Toronto (who would have to gut the team to put an offer together). This is coming from a Leafs fan by the way.
Yeah thats true. Its probably why no good can come out of this thread
A similar one will pop up next month - Palindrom never fails to create a ''trade Price'' thread every few weeks in order to push his ''goalies are not important and should earn minimal wage'' agenda. He should just create a thread in the main board displaying all of his fallacious and illogical arguments, get flamed for a few days by 300 person then get on with his life and stop bothering us.
Last edited by FlyingKostitsyn: 12-06-2012 at 02:23 PM.
When looking at a thread like this, the first thing that comes to mind is: what would the Habs be looking for in such a deal? I don't have an answer to this that would involve trading Price. Price is still young enough to be considered a piece for future success and now he's locked up long-term. If we want futures, keeping Price would be step one. On the other hand, if we want "win now" pieces, again keeping Price would be the first move to make because we would need to quickly start shopping for a goalie that can provide what he can.
When looking at a thread like this, the first thing that comes to mind is: what would the Habs be looking for in such a deal? I don't have an answer to this that would involve trading Price. Price is still young enough to be considered a piece for future success and now he's locked up long-term. If we want futures, keeping Price would be step one. On the other hand, if we want "win now" pieces, again keeping Price would be the first move to make because we would need to quickly start shopping for a goalie that can provide what he can.
Pittsburgh should think about trading that bum Malkin for some cap relief. Palindrom should seek a specialist of the mind about his infatuation with Price, nothing else to it.
Last edited by poetryinmotion: 12-06-2012 at 03:35 PM.
Rinne, Quick, Lundqvist, Price. He is one of the top few goaltenders in the league as in there are maybe 3 guys who are better than him.
I would say right now it's Lundqvist and Quick on top tier, Rinne is almost right there and then Price is the most desirable of the second good tier with guys like Mike Smith and Cam Ward.
To say top 5 is not a stretch. Where as a good goalie is not that hard to find, a top fiver/sixer is still very hard to find.
Price is good enough at his position to the point where most non-Leaf fans intuitively feel like they wouldn't trade him for the entire Leafs roster of non-standouts with a couple of flawed stars. That's ridiculous of course but it does show how difficult it would be to give Montreal enough to even get them to pick up the phone let alone hang up before Burke says "Carey Pr...."
I would say right now it's Lundqvist and Quick on top tier, Rinne is almost right there and then Price is the most desirable of the second good tier with guys like Mike Smith and Cam Ward.
To say top 5 is not a stretch. Where as a good goalie is not that hard to find, a top fiver/sixer is still very hard to find.
Price is good enough at his position to the point where most non-Leaf fans intuitively feel like they wouldn't trade him for the entire Leafs roster of non-standouts with a couple of flawed stars. That's ridiculous of course but it does show how difficult it would be to give Montreal enough to even get them to pick up the phone let alone hang up before Burke says "Carey Pr...."
Stopped at Mike Smith. Like really, he was a crappy back up on the TBL team that went to the ECF game 7, let's get serious, and admit that it's Tippett's system, which shows also as Bryzgalov was a waiver wire pick up, became thought of at this regard, and now look at him on Philly.
Very entertaining thread as many are trying hard to propose packages that can make it happen. Some actually were interesting...however, no matter what would be thrown in, no way a new GM that worked so hard to get there would ever start by trading his franchise player to one of his top three rival teams.
Thread was fun but I think that it is time to put an end to it.
Well, that's a really incomplete summation of the logic.
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Pittsburgh should think about trading that bum Malkin for some cap relief. Palindrom should seek a specialist of the mind about his infatuation with Price, nothing else to it.
Consequently i understand you misunderstood it.
Its about the goalie market versus Defenseman/Forward market.
This is about how much better is Price vs the cheap (2 000 000$ or less) UFA goalie.
And how much Malkin is better than the Cheap (2000 000$ or less) UFA center.
How much Price is better than an Elliot, Smith, Theodore, Vokoun, Giguere, Hedberg, Sanford, Garon, Emery ?
Versus How much Malkin is better than an Eric Belanger, Boyd Gordon, Marty Reasoner, Maxime Talbot, Marcel Goc, Vernon Fiddler.
I believe in the current market, the quality of cheap UFA goalies available vs the quality of cheap UFA players at the other position, Make the high paid goalie less valuable than they have been in the past, especially before the 2005 lockout.
And the $ should be invested elsewhere.
Also, in the past few years, the teams who allow a lesser % of their budget between the pipe had in average more success than the one who allow more.
And for the record, i did had a psychiatric evaluation this year, and there is nothing wrong with me. (But well, i didn't mention my willingness to trade Price)
Well, that's a really incomplete summation of the logic.
Consequently i understand you misunderstood it.
Its about the goalie market versus Defenseman/Forward market.
This is about how much better is Price vs the cheap (2 000 000$ or less) UFA goalie.
And how much Malkin is better than the Cheap (2000 000$ or less) UFA center.
How much Price is better than an Elliot, Smith, Theodore, Vokoun, Giguere, Hedberg, Sanford, Garon, Emery ?
Versus How much Malkin is better than an Eric Belanger, Boyd Gordon, Marty Reasoner, Maxime Talbot, Marcel Goc, Vernon Fiddler.
I believe in the current market, the quality of cheap UFA goalies available vs the quality of cheap UFA players at the other position, Make the high paid goalie less valuable than they have been in the past, especially before the 2005 lockout.
And the $ should be invested elsewhere.
Also, in the past few years, the teams who allow a lesser % of their budget between the pipe had in average more success than the one who allow more.
And for the record, i did had a psychiatric evaluation this year, and there is nothing wrong with me. (But well, i didn't mention my willingness to trade Price)
Like the last 4 teams to make it to the SCF, Boston, Vancouver, NJ, and LA. No money spent on those goalies...
Why not give the pens a call and see if they will trade Malkin (~110 points at 8.7M) for Desharnais (~60-70 points at about 1.5M). Now given the extreme value we are offering they will have to add a few first round picks but I doubt they will have a problem with that.
Quality costs more. You need quality to win. "Moneyball" won't work in hockey.
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