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12-06-2012, 02:45 AM
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What really surprised me after watching him play for the Leafs, was how good he was defensively.
I'm glad another fanbase got to see it besides the people here in New York

People look at his totals and think he was a 4th forward who couldn't point out his own zone on a map. That wasn't the case at all.

He was never very physical, but he had excellent instincts and knew where to position himself on the ice. That helped him score alot but it also translated to the other end.

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I'm glad another fanbase got to see it besides the people here in New York

People look at his totals and think he was a 4th forward who couldn't point out his own zone on a map. That wasn't the case at all.

He was never very physical, but he had excellent instincts and knew where to position himself on the ice. That helped him score alot but it also translated to the other end.
Thats because when Rangers didn't do very good, Leetch defensive abilities sunk for awhile in the deadpuck era (maybe because the pressure on him to perform offensively and as a captain were a bit too much for him), he was definitly no Coffey nor Housley though.

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Thats because when Rangers didn't do very good, Leetch defensive abilities sunk for awhile in the deadpuck era (maybe because the pressure on him to perform offensively and as a captain were a bit too much for him), he was definitly no Coffey nor Housley though.
I'd argue that he was at least as good as Housley, if not better. Better points per game despite playing in a less offensive era. Same number of PPG seasons (5). Broke 100 points, which Housley never did. 2 Norris Trophies.

And obviously the Conn Smythe. Breaking 30 points in the playoffs is something even Coffey only did once. Housley never really had that opportunity though.

I watched both players. Housley was awesome, but I wouldn't say he was better than Leetch.

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12-06-2012, 12:11 PM
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Thats because when Rangers didn't do very good, Leetch defensive abilities sunk for awhile in the deadpuck era (maybe because the pressure on him to perform offensively and as a captain were a bit too much for him), he was definitly no Coffey nor Housley though.
I'll give you Coffey but Leetch was distinctively better than Housley, and has the accolades to back it up.

Housley:
NHL All-Rookie Team (1983)
Second Team All-Star (1992)
Second Runner-Up Norris Trophy (1992)

Leetch:
NHL All-Rookie Team (1989)
Calder Mem Trophy (1989)
First Team All-Star (1992, 1997)
Second Team All-Star (1991, 1994, 1996)
Conn Smythe (1994)
Norris Trophy (1992, 1997)

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I'll give you Coffey but Leetch was distinctively better than Housley, and has the accolades to back it up.

Housley:
NHL All-Rookie Team (1983)
Second Team All-Star (1992)
Second Runner-Up Norris Trophy (1992)

Leetch:
NHL All-Rookie Team (1989)
Calder Mem Trophy (1989)
First Team All-Star (1992, 1997)
Second Team All-Star (1991, 1994, 1996)
Conn Smythe (1994)
Norris Trophy (1992, 1997)
What I meant were that he werent as bad on defense as Coffey and Housley. He is definitly better than Housley in any way possible.

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12-06-2012, 12:20 PM
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Don't want to put words in jkrx's mouth...but I took his post as meaning, "Leetch wasn't as bad defensively as Coffey and Housley" ...could be wrong though.

EDIT: Well...that was settled before I could hit "reply"...I'll be over here if you need me...

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I'm glad another fanbase got to see it besides the people here in New York

People look at his totals and think he was a 4th forward who couldn't point out his own zone on a map. That wasn't the case at all.

He was never very physical, but he had excellent instincts and knew where to position himself on the ice. That helped him score alot but it also translated to the other end.
He wasn't a very physical player. Although, I remember two instances while he was a member of the Leafs where he just killed someone open ice. The one I remember the best was in Florida, he nailed Mikeal Samuelsson and injured him, I believe he had to leave the game with a broken arm or something. But, after the hit Darcy Hordichuk tossed off the mitts and went after Leetch. Good thing for Leetch, Bryan McCabe did the honourable thing and tossed his mitts down and jumped in Hordichuk's way.

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What I meant were that he werent as bad on defense as Coffey and Housley. He is definitly better than Housley in any way possible.


Sorry about that jkrx. I see what you meant now.

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Sorry about that jkrx. I see what you meant now.
No, need to apologize. I should probably had made it more clear since more than one responded like you did.

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I'm glad another fanbase got to see it besides the people here in New York

People look at his totals and think he was a 4th forward who couldn't point out his own zone on a map. That wasn't the case at all.

He was never very physical, but he had excellent instincts and knew where to position himself on the ice. That helped him score alot but it also translated to the other end.
Yes, I never thought a team was in danger if Leetch was playing defense. He was capable of doing it on his own. He wasn't lazy, and didn't get caught out of position despite rushing the puck a lot. He wasn't Scott Stevens in the physical department when it came to hitting but it wasn't his style. He was not a liability in his own end.

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What? The Leafs were lucky to be in that series.
I'm sorry, but what?

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I'd argue that he was at least as good as Housley, if not better. Better points per game despite playing in a less offensive era. Same number of PPG seasons (5). Broke 100 points, which Housley never did. 2 Norris Trophies.

And obviously the Conn Smythe. Breaking 30 points in the playoffs is something even Coffey only did once. Housley never really had that opportunity though.

I watched both players. Housley was awesome, but I wouldn't say he was better than Leetch.
Housley and Coffey are being used in the pejorative sense in this case.

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12-06-2012, 08:18 PM
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I was lucky enough to go to Leetch's first game as a Leaf vs the Islanders. I think he had 3 or 4 assists, he was definitely setting up McCabe on the PP all night and later on they kept trying to set up Leetch for a goal. Terrific in his stint with the Leafs, nothing to complain about.

I'm pretty sure I remember being on these boards on the time and the general consensus was that of the available offensive defenseman, most people wanted to get Gonchar, Leetch was pretty much a consolation.

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