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12-13-2012, 01:19 PM
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Can we trade MDZ, Miller, Skej and a 1st for Subban, please? Montreal would still say no, but a top four of:

McDonagh - Subban
Staal - Girardi

would be the hands down best defense I've ever seen. In front of Lundqvist? Damn.

Plus Subby's a RH shot.
Montreal would not say no, but I sure as hell would.

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12-13-2012, 01:32 PM
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Can we trade MDZ, Miller, Skej and a 1st for Subban, please? Montreal would still say no, but a top four of:

McDonagh - Subban
Staal - Girardi

would be the hands down best defense I've ever seen. In front of Lundqvist? Damn.

Plus Subby's a RH shot.
Add a third nasty pairing in 2 years of Noreau - McIllWrath and lookout!

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12-13-2012, 01:39 PM
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Can we trade MDZ, Miller, Skej and a 1st for Subban, please?
Yeah, and let's throw in Thomas, McIlrath and Kreider to see if they'll include Lars Eller.


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12-13-2012, 01:45 PM
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What if Fehr's plan is to decertify at the last possible moment?

Makes sense to me. Its actually quite genius (from his and the player's point of view.)

Hasn't given a take it or leave it ultimatum once, has called in mediators several times, harks about the NHLPA's willingness to negotiate. That's going to deter a lot of the blame from the players in the public court of opinion.

Now think about where the NHL will be right before it has to cancel the season. They will give their best offer, in their opinion to the players. At that point, I would say many of them will have transitioned from delusional to dare I say it worried.

And let's say the deal offered is either still unfair or somehow still does not sit well with the NHLPA. They would have 0 time to negotiate. Now if you think about this from the owners perspective, another lost season would be downright disastrous, not that whats going on already isn't. They would lose sponsorships, they would lose networks, and most importantly they would lose fans. It's hard to recoup after 1 lockout, 2 in a row is a death sentence.

Now lets say they offer their best deal, which is at best fair, and the players reject AND decertify (thus meaning that it will be a long drawn out battle in the courts and essentially forcing a cancelled season)... I wouldn't be surprised to see a lopsided last minute offer by the NHL in favor of the players to avoid that whole ordeal, similar to NBA lockout last year.

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12-13-2012, 01:57 PM
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Newport's Don Meehan on RFA deals for Subban, O'Reilly, MDZ once lockout ends: "We’re all going to have to kick into high gear quickly."

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heh, once players decertify they'll have years to think of an offer to present to them when/if the nhl returns.

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12-13-2012, 02:43 PM
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This will eventually whittle down to just a mediator alone in a room, and there will be no disagreements.

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Subban is a dirtbag player. Do not want him here.

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12-13-2012, 02:51 PM
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Subban is a dirtbag player. Do not want him here.
youre kidding right? Id LOVE to have him on this team. Cocky, arrogant, canon of a shot, annoying to play against.

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12-13-2012, 02:52 PM
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How did trading for Subban arise, out of curiosity?

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12-13-2012, 02:54 PM
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youre kidding right? Id LOVE to have him on this team. Cocky, arrogant, canon of a shot, annoying to play against.
I admire his skill and talent, but he needs to grow up a bit. His slew footing is disgusting.

Del Zotto had a better year anyway...

They never gave up on Del Zotto because his upside is too high. He hasn't even gotten close to the player he will be soon.

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12-13-2012, 02:56 PM
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Malkin slew footed our guys, i'd take him as well.

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12-13-2012, 03:01 PM
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Slew-footing wouldn't prevent me from acquiring him. But from all accounts he is an overall objectionable person.

My biggest concern is he needs to learn defense. He isn't a stand-out offensively either. Other than being a RD, I can't think of any reason I'd rather have him than Del Zotto.

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12-13-2012, 03:19 PM
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How did trading for Subban arise, out of curiosity?
Probably cause I mentioned Connor McDavid.

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12-13-2012, 03:29 PM
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Subban is a cancer. How many fights has he started with his own teammates? Too many. Don't need punks like that in our locker room.

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Subban has half the personality problems of Avery and is twice the hockey player. Not the reaction I expected.

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12-13-2012, 03:33 PM
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Subban has half the personality problems of Avery and is twice the hockey player. Not the reaction I expected.
I wouldn't trade Del Zotto, Miller, Skjei and a 1st for Avery either.

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12-13-2012, 03:37 PM
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Subban has half the personality problems of Avery and is twice the hockey player. Not the reaction I expected.
I'd take him every day of the week. Just not for that ludicrous package the other guy proposed (MDZ/Miller/Skjei/1st). I wouldn't do MDZ for Subban straight up, let alone adding the equivalent of three firsts.

OK, I'm done talking about Subban in the Lockout Thread. LOL.

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12-13-2012, 03:38 PM
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Subban has half the personality problems of Avery and is twice the hockey player. Not the reaction I expected.
Del Zotto is comparable to Subban in terms of value, in my opinion.

Why would the Rangers throw in 2 of their best prospects as well?

'Tis the season??

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12-13-2012, 03:41 PM
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Stop with these stupid trade proposals. Subban is no upgrade. Even with no hockey people can't resist.

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I'd do MDZ straight up for Subban.

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We're not getting Subban, end of the story. Now, back to the thread about nothing ever getting resolved...ever...lol.

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In what realm would Montreal say no to MDZ, Miller, Skjei and 1st? MDZ and Miller alone is enough. God Subban is so overrated.

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12-13-2012, 04:10 PM
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“@RealKyper: #NHL/#NHLPA meeting done with mediator. D. Fehr just said "no comment" I asked "where do you go from here"? He replied "internal meetings"”

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Can we trade MDZ, Miller, Skej and a 1st for Subban, please? Montreal would still say no, but a top four of:

McDonagh - Subban
Staal - Girardi

would be the hands down best defense I've ever seen. In front of Lundqvist? Damn.

Plus Subby's a RH shot.
That you Neil?

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Can we trade MDZ, Miller, Skej and a 1st for Subban, please? Montreal would still say no, but a top four of:

McDonagh - Subban
Staal - Girardi

would be the hands down best defense I've ever seen. In front of Lundqvist? Damn.

Plus Subby's a RH shot.
Just awful

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