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01-03-2013, 12:31 PM
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Exactly! A team that can't score but has two elite goalies is still stronger than a team that can't score but has only one elite goalie.
And they're both weaker than a team with one elite goalie and a better collection of skaters.

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01-03-2013, 12:31 PM
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And they're both weaker than a team with one elite goalie and a better collection of skaters.
I'm all for getting a better collection, but I'm not seeing players who make us better coming back to us in these proposals.

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01-03-2013, 12:48 PM
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I have an idea, why don't we sign Scott Gomez to a cheap contract after Montreal buys him out? If we want we can trade Luongo to Montreal for a 7th round pick if we're still in the mood to give up our star goalie for crap. Just a thought...

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01-03-2013, 12:56 PM
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I have an idea, why don't we sign Scott Gomez to a cheap contract after Montreal buys him out? If we want we can trade Luongo to Montreal for a 7th round pick if we're still in the mood to give up our star goalie for crap. Just a thought...
Having fun dropping napalm on straw men?

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01-03-2013, 12:58 PM
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Having fun dropping napalm on straw men?
Just proving a point. If we want a crappy player we can just sign one for free. No need to give away an elite top 5 goalie.

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01-03-2013, 01:33 PM
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If Scott Gomez is bought out and finally gets himself back into shape I would sign him. When he's right he plays 200ft of the ice and can definitely anchor a 2nd PP.

If he still insists on being chubby then he'll still suck.

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01-03-2013, 01:36 PM
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Just proving a point. If we want a crappy player we can just sign one for free. No need to give away an elite top 5 goalie.
You sure are..

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01-03-2013, 02:14 PM
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With the recent proposals containing not 1, but now 2 buyouts I see this as a clear opportunity to take back a terrible contract for Luongo. From what I understand the cap won't go down this season, but next.

To me this makes a Luongo deal much easier. It's borderline as to whether we even buy anybody out on our team, but even if we buy out one player that's still a second buyout remaining. Is there not a team out there that would gladly upgrade in goal and keep Luongo who also wants 3 players bought out? They could aquire Luongo, buy out two players and trade the third to the Canucks (along with picks and prospects of course) and the Canucks could use said player for a cup run assuming there is some kind of fit and then buy out said player in June along with possibly one other player freeing up some cap space to get bargains on the free agent market?

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01-03-2013, 03:35 PM
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Just proving a point. If we want a crappy player we can just sign one for free. No need to give away an elite top 5 goalie.
Proving a point using someone else's logic isn't really getting your point across.... yet you continue to do it.

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Just proving a point. If we want a crappy player we can just sign one for free. No need to give away an elite top 5 goalie.
It's funny how on the main boards they say we either buy Lou out or take **** back and then when we disagree they call us delusional

on top if it when we talk about how it's comical at how much they hate our team we get banned for it... Main boards are becoming a joke

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01-03-2013, 04:22 PM
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I really think you need to take a break from this thread. A long, long break.
Well IMO Scott Gomez as a 3rd line center isn't that bad an idea if its dirt cheap and the cap drops to 60M. Give him a camp tryout as I remember someone on the canucks forums posted his advanced stats which were actually pretty good. He can anchor our 2nd pp unit and who knows maybe with less pressure n defensive focus on him he could put up 30-40 points

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01-03-2013, 04:28 PM
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I don't see how Luongo doesn't get traded to Philly now that two buy out options are available.

They have the assets, the desire for high end goaltending and the ability to buy out their current goalie. It's a match made in heaven!

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I hope if we do manage to get a great deal for Luongo that the people mocking y2k will give him his due for sticking to his guns and admit he was right.

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I don't see how Luongo doesn't get traded to Philly now that two buy out options are available.

They have the assets, the desire for high end goaltending and the ability to buy out their current goalie. It's a match made in heaven!
IF Aquilini were willing to spend $30M, I wonder if a Luongo for Bryzgalov/Couturier trade is possible?

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01-03-2013, 04:35 PM
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I hope if we do manage to get a great deal for Luongo that the people mocking y2k will give him his due for sticking to his guns and admit he was right.
Appreciate that. While I think we SHOULD get a great deal for Luongo, I'm not sure I have much confidence in Gillis to ride it out. Regardless, we would be settling for a something a lot more than a Bozak, Franson, 2 type package. That's just not going to happen.

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Appreciate that. While I think we SHOULD get a great deal for Luongo, I'm not sure I have much confidence in Gillis to ride it out. Regardless, we would be settling for a something a lot more than a Bozak, Franson, 2 type package. That's just not going to happen.
I'm not going to claim to know what the market will bear at the moment, but I certainly hope its better than that. If its not I'd be willing to hold on a while or explore other alternatives.

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I'm not going to claim to know what the market will bear at the moment, but I certainly hope its better than that. If its not I'd be willing to hold on a while or explore other alternatives.
Yup. If the best we can get is Bozak and Franson or Kadri and Franson or even Bozak and Kadri, we'd best hold on to our goalie.

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I don't see how Luongo doesn't get traded to Philly now that two buy out options are available.

They have the assets, the desire for high end goaltending and the ability to buy out their current goalie. It's a match made in heaven!
Because it would cost them $27 million in buyout money as well as good, young assets on a team that has a terrible prospect pool.

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I hope if we do manage to get a great deal for Luongo that the people mocking y2k will give him his due for sticking to his guns and admit he was right.
I hope Gillis is holding out for similar value. My issue is with dragging this thing out for years. I don't think it's reasonable to start letting guys like Higgins go in free-agency, like Y2K was talking about, so we can have Lu as a backup. Two years after he asked to be dealt.

I don't want the issue to get confused. My issue isn't with the high asking price, it's with the lengths he wants to go to hold onto that value.

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I hope Gillis is holding out for similar value. My issue is with dragging this thing out for years. I don't think it's reasonable to start letting guys like Higgins go in free-agency, like Y2K was talking about, so we can have Lu as a backup. Two years after he asked to be dealt.

I don't want the issue to get confused. My issue isn't with the high asking price, it's with the lengths he wants to go to hold onto that value.
Honestly I would likely let Higgins go to free agency regardless if we had Luongo or not. I like Higgins, but he's not good enough to be a regular 2nd liner on this team. I would rather open up the roster spot, save the $2-3M it'd cost to re-sign him, and open up an opportunity for Kassian or Jensen to play on the third line.

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Honestly I would likely let Higgins go to free agency regardless if we had Luongo or not. I like Higgins, but he's not good enough to be a regular 2nd liner on this team. I would rather open up the roster spot, save the $2-3M it'd cost to re-sign him, and open up an opportunity for Kassian or Jensen to play on the third line.
I don't know. I'd honestly feel a lot better with Higgins on the team. He's such an ideal third line player, who can move up to the second line if need be, that losing him takes away a lot of option for the Canucks. He's your ideal low-cost every situation player.

Plus, I don't think he'd hold out for a lot of money. He seems to like it here and the opportunity he was given to basically rebuild his career after hitting rock bottom. I think both him and Lapierre would both be happy to take a discount to stay with the team.

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Honestly I would likely let Higgins go to free agency regardless if we had Luongo or not. I like Higgins, but he's not good enough to be a regular 2nd liner on this team. I would rather open up the roster spot, save the $2-3M it'd cost to re-sign him, and open up an opportunity for Kassian or Jensen to play on the third line.
I really like Higgins, I think he's the kind of guy you need to win and he'd be another great example for the young guys you mentioned. His work ethic since he got here has been outstanding.

Higgins aside, I think you're being unreasonable in your evaluation of the Lu situation. If Lu is serious about being OK with coming back this season that gives Gillis this season to hold out for some real value. That could be what we need to get a good deal. If he can't make it happen this season he absolutely has to make something happen next offseason. Schneider and Luongo and the rest of the team deserve it. I think we do too.

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I really like Higgins, I think he's the kind of guy you need to win and he'd be another great example for the young guys you mentioned. His work ethic since he got here has been outstanding.

Higgins aside, I think you're being unreasonable in your evaluation of the Lu situation. If Lu is serious about being OK with coming back this season that gives Gillis this season to hold out for some real value. That could be what we need to get a good deal. If he can't make it happen this season he absolutely has to make something happen next offseason. Schneider and Luongo and the rest of the team deserve it. I think we do too.
If we keep Luongo this season and he plays a big role in this team having another successful season, then I don't think it's logical to just dump him for whatever you can get next season. As long as we are winning and he contributes to our success then everything is fine.

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I hope Gillis is holding out for similar value. My issue is with dragging this thing out for years. I don't think it's reasonable to start letting guys like Higgins go in free-agency, like Y2K was talking about, so we can have Lu as a backup. Two years after he asked to be dealt.

I don't want the issue to get confused. My issue isn't with the high asking price, it's with the lengths he wants to go to hold onto that value.
I don't know how long we hold on to Luongo, I think thats mostly up to how long Luongo is willing to be strung along in this. I think it's pretty important to get some sort of significant asset in return for him (not just his cap space), if thats not going to happen I would be exploring the market for Schneider too (if Luongo were agreeable to staying). Rather not trade Schneider but my only real interest is getting a solid return for 1 of our 2 goalies.

Of course this all depends on what the new CBA landscape looks like as well.

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