4th and 6th will never do that season justice for Luongo. Lotta one goal wins.
The memories.
Of course, nothing too special about the numbers, but on a ****** offensive team Luongo got lots of credit for what he did. Though, they were one of the best defensive teams: Mitchell, Bieksa, Ohlund, Salo, Krajicek, and eventually Sopel. Which back then with the way they were playing was stellar. Penalty kill was also something to be reckoned with.
It reads "I have head Bozak and Kadri and I think Luongo is a leaf post lockout". Could you read that as two separate statements thrown together, or are they dependant on each other. Meaning, he's heard the names of Kadri and Bozak. This doesn't mean that this is _all_ that he's heard, nor does it mean that Luongo going to TO is contingent on these two players. He could end up there and not for the names mentioned. Burke and Gillis could have discussed Kadri and Bozak, but might settle on other pieces entirely. It just seems far from conclusive.
From my perspective, Kadri and Bozak do make a lot of sense for the Canucks. So those two pieces are "locks" in my opinion, especially with Kadri being able to shift to wing. What else comes back is the question. I'd hope that Gillis could wrangle the 1st rndr, but who knows? Maybe swap Percy for Sauve and so on. My earlier proposal was this:
Contracts evened up, another Dman picked up and Bozak filling in for Kesler for a time. The offer has got to be good enough for Gillis to avoid FLA altogether and then put it to Luongo to consider TOR instead. I think that one is.
It reads "I have head Bozak and Kadri and I think Luongo is a leaf post lockout". Could you read that as two separate statements thrown together, or are they dependant on each other. Meaning, he's heard the names of Kadri and Bozak. This doesn't mean that this is _all_ that he's heard, nor does it mean that Luongo going to TO is contingent on these two players. He could end up there and not for the names mentioned. Burke and Gillis could have discussed Kadri and Bozak, but might settle on other pieces entirely. It just seems far from conclusive.
From my perspective, Kadri and Bozak do make a lot of sense for the Canucks. So those two pieces are "locks" in my opinion, especially with Kadri being able to shift to wing. What else comes back is the question. I'd hope that Gillis could wrangle the 1st rndr, but who knows? Maybe swap Percy for Sauve and so on. My earlier proposal was this:
Contracts evened up, another Dman picked up and Bozak filling in for Kesler for a time. The offer has got to be good enough for Gillis to avoid FLA altogether and then put it to Luongo to consider TOR instead. I think that one is.
Will only do that deal in a full year lockout. Gives us a killer chance to land a top 5 pick.
Will only do that deal in a full year lockout. Gives us a killer chance to land a top 5 pick.
LOL...you honestly think Burke trades that pick with 3 balls in the lottery?? And then you think he adds Kadri and Bozak??? If there is a canceled season...that pick goes nowhere.
"Best center" for a team with absolutely garbage at the center position.
You fail to see the lack of quality you continue keep coming back and offering up.
Grabo would be an excellent 2C on alot of teams, not just TO. And i understand you don't like any offer that doesn't include a lottery pick and 3 other of our best pieces, i get it.
Grabo would be an excellent 2C on alot of teams, not just TO. And i understand you don't like any offer that doesn't include a lottery pick and 3 other of our best pieces, i get it.
Just don't see TO giving up the 1st unless its conditional. I would be happy to see it be first with an option to defer a year at the cost of a 3rd.
Grabo would be an excellent 2C on alot of teams, not just TO. And i understand you don't like any offer that doesn't include a lottery pick and 3 other of our best pieces, i get it.
Why is Grabovski not a #2 center on the Leafs? He's solid on his skates, and plays the game with some toughness. He's hard nosed too. Who do you see as the Leafs' #2 center?
Why is Grabovski not a #2 center on the Leafs? He's solid on his skates, and plays the game with some toughness. He's hard nosed too. Who do you see as the Leafs' #2 center?
I'm confused, he is our 2C. I said he would be a good 2C on alot of teams, NOT JUST TO.
Why is Grabovski not a #2 center on the Leafs? He's solid on his skates, and plays the game with some toughness. He's hard nosed too. Who do you see as the Leafs' #2 center?
He scores reasonably well too.
I mean I hate the guy, I was present for some of his Olympic escapades in Vancouver, but saying he's not a second line center at the clip he produces and with the skills he brings, is asinine.
For personal reasons I'd hate having him as a Canuck, but centering Kesler and Booth or with center depth of Hank, Kes, Grabo, Lapierre, Malhotra and Ebbett (guaranteed anyway), I'd swallow my pride and give him a second chance.
If the leafs end up with a top 3 pick in this draft besides the twins there's no one on your team worth it especially luongo and you guys think he's worth more
Top 5 elite goalie? Just curious and I am genuinely interested how people come to that conclusion without question? In the last 10 years he's been a top 5 twice for sure, but even going solely off save percentages less than half 4/10 years.
Are there any other stats I am missing for goalies only?
Goalie numbers are typically extremely volatile year-to-year and there is always a few goalies who massively over achieve in any given year. The correct stat you should be concerning yourself with is the ranking of sv% over a certain number of years. For sake of argument, let's use the same time frame you did, 01-02 to 11-12. Let's also restrict it to a completely arbitrary minimum of 200 games played. You can do this analysis with any amount of games played, but if we're talking about best goalies over the last decade you probably want people who've played a minimum of half the games in half the seasons (ie. 40 games/season for 5 seasons):
1. Tim Thomas - 378 GP, .921 sv%
2. Pekka Rinne - 250 GP, .921 sv%
3. Roberto Luongo - 656 GP, .920 sv%
4. Henrik Lundqvist - 468 GP, .920 sv%
5. Tomas Vokoun - 572 GP, .919 sv%
Now, this method certainly isn't perfect, but it's a lot better indicator that just looking at the ranking in any one year. You should really go through season-by-season and compare the posted sv% relative to the average sv% amongst all goalies, find the standard deviation and rank that goalie's performance in terms of how many standard deviations better or worse than average they performed and then average that across all seasons. But that's a lot of work that I don't want to do during finals and I don't know of a site that will do it for me.
Should also be noted that Luongo has seen 2,371 more shots than the next goalie (Brodeur). If you want a work horse goalie who will consistently put up a great save percentage and can handle a large volume of shots, Luongo has proven to be one of the very best in the league over the last decade.
Legitimate question, is there anyone who hasn't been affected by cancer?
Sorry if i came off like an ass. I've had a hole drilled into my skull, went through 5 weeks of radiation, followed by 20 weeks of chimo. I had to prepare my 7 year old son for the reality that Daddy might not make it. I get a little edgy when jokes are made...again, i apologise.
Sorry if i came off like an ass. I've had a hole drilled into my skull, went through 5 weeks of radiation, followed by 20 weeks of chimo. I had to prepare my 7 year old son for the reality that Daddy might not make it. I get a little edgy when jokes are made...again, i apologise.
Why should you apologize? It's not your responsibility, in this forum, to respond to tactless posts. We disagree often on the Leafs' players, or Luongo's value, but on the matter of cancer not being a joke - on that, we are in complete agreement. I hope you continue to get well; I enjoy your dialogue, and value your point of view.
Why should you apologize? It's not your responsibility, in this forum, to respond to tactless posts. We disagree often on the Leafs' players, or Luongo's value, but on the matter of cancer not being a joke - on that, we are in complete agreement. I hope you continue to get well; I enjoy your dialogue, and value your point of view.
Thank you. Things are progressing well....i'm hoping for it to continue.
Thank you. Things are progressing well....i'm hoping for it to continue.
Now back on topic....is Luongo available?
Yes, for Phaneuf, Kessel, and 3 firsts! Ha Ha Ha
Seriously though, I still believe the most fair trade for the Leaf's and Canucks to make would be Luongo for Phaneuf. Clearly this has little (NO) chance of happening, but would make both teams better, by filling needs they both need.
Seriously though, I still believe the most fair trade for the Leaf's and Canucks to make would be Luongo for Phaneuf. Clearly this has little (NO) chance of happening, but would make both teams better, by filling needs they both need.
Phaneuf sucks.
Always cracks me up when I see those Phaneuf Team Canada commercials and he didn't even make the team.
Seriously though, I still believe the most fair trade for the Leaf's and Canucks to make would be Luongo for Phaneuf. Clearly this has little (NO) chance of happening, but would make both teams better, by filling needs they both need.
If we had ANY other physical d-men, i might consider it. But he is the only one, top offensive d-man and our captain.
would be a very expensive, but very awesome defense.
Yeah, that's why if we acquire Phaneuf, Edler will most likely have to go. I'd probably play Edler with Phaneuf though, in that scenario. Get them out with the Sedins all the time and we're set.
Don't shoot me. Not really a hockey expert. Just extremely bored by studying.
I'd do the first one, even if I think the value is off RE: Edler, but why would the Leafs? Their captain and top defenseman, and their second best defenseman for a piece that fills a need, and a defender, who I'd say is better then Phaneuf, that partially fills a hole we just created, and leaves their defensive depth pretty well stripped. It just doesn't work for them.
The second could be considered more realistic, but I wouldn't want to do it, but it's an awful gamble trading a captain for a UFA player, when the UFA is set to make similar money, if he hits the market.
I don't think Toronto would give up what we'd want for both Edler and Luongo, and with out including either Phaneuf or Kessel, it's a non starter for us. I like the creativity, but it just wouldn't work.
I'd do the first one, even if I think the value is off RE: Edler, but why would the Leafs? Their captain and top defenseman, and their second best defenseman for a piece that fills a need, and a defender, who I'd say is better then Phaneuf, that partially fills a hole we just created, and leaves their defensive depth pretty well stripped. It just doesn't work for them.
The second could be considered more realistic, but I wouldn't want to do it, but it's an awful gamble trading a captain for a UFA player, when the UFA is set to make similar money, if he hits the market.
I don't think Toronto would give up what we'd want for both Edler and Luongo, and with out including either Phaneuf or Kessel, it's a non starter for us. I like the creativity, but it just wouldn't work.
Which is why this is all hypothetical. Obviously this has little chance of happening in the real world (all the other pesky factors), but might as well try something new . I'm sick of all the Bozak and Kadri stuff.
If we had ANY other physical d-men, i might consider it. But he is the only one, top offensive d-man and our captain.
I know I'll probably have something fall on me if another Leafs fan reads this (bad joke about ill will or karma), but what about Ballard? If nothing else, we can say he's physical on a very consistant basis. He is undersized, but hits, ties up or otherwise disables opposing players. Plus, hipchecks! Good for about 30 points a season, when not being benched by a power mad coach, and could benefit tremendously from a stable defensive partner (ie Tanev or J-Bo...or Gunnar...?).
If he, or some other, hypothetical physical, offensive minded defender, were returned to Toronto, would that be of interest? Could we annoy a few other fanbases by creating more three way deals?
