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12-07-2012, 08:05 PM
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This is based on the contract dispute between him and the Avs. If the Avs don't want to pay him what he wants, we'll give them a good young D-man for him and pay ROR the money he wants.
You know they actually can't sign him while the lockout is going on do you? Therefore as it is a practical impossibility for them to even negotiate at the present time, I fail to see how there could be a dispute.

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12-07-2012, 08:10 PM
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No, defense wins championships. Hawks just need consistent goaltending to compliment their explosive offense.
ROR's defensive game >>>>>> Leddy's defensive game


OP is not close, sorry.

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12-07-2012, 08:20 PM
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Even if there was a contract dispute between management and Radar, we'd be able to get a better deal than this. Every team wants a player like him, and Leddy doesn't even fit our needs.
Though I don't care to weigh in on the trade since neither team is about to trade away their young, talented player, I must admit myself to be confused by this. There are few teams in the league, if any, that have worse PMDs than the Avs.

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12-07-2012, 08:31 PM
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Though I don't care to weigh in on the trade since neither team is about to trade away their young, talented player, I must admit myself to be confused by this. There are few teams in the league, if any, that have worse PMDs than the Avs.
while this is true, there are few teams in the league that have better PMD prospects than the Avs as well.

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12-07-2012, 09:12 PM
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So you're going to move a player in a contract dispute for a superior player plus a pick?
Nope, we're realistically just going to re-sign radar once the lockout is over n we can. But if we were to trade him that's what it'd take to pry him away from colorado.

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12-07-2012, 09:13 PM
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If that is what it O'Rielly is worth, then I had easily drive Jake Gardiner(who is a similar but more polished overall player right now than Leddy) to ariport. Heck I had even throw in a 3rd round pick for consolation.

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12-07-2012, 09:19 PM
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I dunno, 55 points plus led the LEAGUE in takeaways after having just turned 21 years old sounds pretty good to me. The upside is certainly there. The return wouldn't be elite PLUS but it would certainly be a darn good player.
Even if ROR turns into a Backes-type player, I still wouldn't call him elite. 55 points is not elite by any standards, regardless of his age.

He certainly is very good though.

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12-07-2012, 09:26 PM
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Even if ROR turns into a Backes-type player, I still wouldn't call him elite. 55 points is not elite by any standards, regardless of his age.

He certainly is very good though.
I'm not saying RoR IS elite or is GOING to be elite but your 'regardless of age' comment doesn't really sit well with me. Even your Sedins weren't putting up 50+ as 21 year olds, so it's not like it's exactly unfathomable that he might get even better than he is now.

[For the record, I'm not saying he has Sedin type upside, I think the Backes comparison is a good one although Backes first hit 50+ points at 25 years of age]

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12-07-2012, 09:35 PM
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I'm not saying RoR IS elite or is GOING to be elite but your 'regardless of age' comment doesn't really sit well with me. Even your Sedins weren't putting up 50+ as 21 year olds, so it's not like it's exactly unfathomable that he might get even better than he is now.

[For the record, I'm not saying he has Sedin type upside, I think the Backes comparison is a good one although Backes first hit 50+ points at 25 years of age]
Yes, and I wouldn't expect the Sedins, ROR, or anyone to return a "young elite first line goal scorer" without having put up some serious production first.

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12-07-2012, 09:38 PM
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Leddy is very overrated. Not good offensively, mediocre defensively.

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12-07-2012, 09:40 PM
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Leddy is very overrated. Not good offensively, mediocre defensively.
Oh oh, I had watch if I were u, here comes an avalanche full of Hawks fans ready to storm u.

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12-07-2012, 10:03 PM
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Leddy is very overrated. Not good offensively, mediocre defensively.
this is totally untrue.

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12-07-2012, 11:27 PM
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Oh oh, I had watch if I were u, here comes an avalanche full of Hawks fans ready to storm u.
Because we should?

Hmm, he's got excellent puck skills, great vision, fast transition, and good speed. He was a top 30 scorer for Dmen last year and guess who else was mediocre at defense at his age: Keith/Seabrook/Campbell and a huge list of fantastic non-hawk Dmen. Great, O'Reilly lead the league in takeaways, call me when you have 3 forwards in the top 10 in takeaways

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12-08-2012, 03:15 AM
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RoR+Elliot for Kane

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12-08-2012, 08:38 AM
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Love Leddy, but ROR is so much more.

Seabrook for ROR +
Pretty much this to make the Av's even think of moving ROR.

Leddy is good with the puck on his stick, but is beyond putrid in his own zone. The second any team sets up on the defense zone, Leddy is so horrible he is a liability. Great with room to skate, but thats about it.

Leddy is getting so over rated its starting to become comedic gold.

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12-09-2012, 02:55 PM
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Pretty much this to make the Av's even think of moving ROR.

Leddy is good with the puck on his stick, but is beyond putrid in his own zone. The second any team sets up on the defense zone, Leddy is so horrible he is a liability. Great with room to skate, but thats about it.

Leddy is getting so over rated its starting to become comedic gold.
Arguably the Hawks #1 D-guy for O'Reilly...LOL.

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12-09-2012, 03:05 PM
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Leddy is great but a polite no thank you. ROR is too important to us, they'll find a way to make it work on the contract front

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12-09-2012, 03:08 PM
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Ryan O'Reilly


Nick Leddy
What would the Avs want from the Oilers

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12-09-2012, 03:25 PM
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What would the Avs want from the Oilers
Avs biggest need at this point is another Top pairing or Top 4 Dman with Top pairing potential(Think M Staal, Subban, OEL, Hedman etc).

I dont think Edmonton has what we need, so any deal would HAVE to involve one of the Big 4 from EDM, and likely not RNH given what we have up the middle as it is. So something around Oreilly+ for Eberle/Hall/Yakupov but thats pretty much it.

Didnt mention Schultz because at this point I would say he's even more untouchable then the big 4, given how badly EDM needs Defense as well.

As for the Leddy/Oreilly trade, it really is not close. Leafs fans are generally willing to offer up Gardiner + Bozak for Oreilly, and thats a hell of a lot better then Leddy.

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12-09-2012, 03:31 PM
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Arguably the Hawks #1 D-guy for O'Reilly...LOL.
ROR + to be exact.

Thats what it would take to get him. Nick Leddy is a throw in to any deal, not a main piece.

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12-09-2012, 03:37 PM
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What would the Avs want from the Oilers
You guys don't have what it takes quite honestly. You won't be moving any of the big 4 or Schultz, and you really have nothing else we would want

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12-09-2012, 10:17 PM
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I'm just going off the 2 year deal as I understand it. That states, "It is not a negotiation anymore. You sign me for a contract that pays me X or I'll get it from Magnitogorsk" It's not out of line to think the Avs will not want to be bullied like that, given their history.
From the avs point of view, "if you ever want to play in the NHL again you will take our deal".

works both ways doesn't it.

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12-09-2012, 10:21 PM
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From the avs point of view, "if you ever want to play in the NHL again you will take our deal".

works both ways doesn't it.
To an extent, except the out-clause in his KHL contract apparently is predicated on him getting an equal or more favourable offer from Colorado. If this is true as reported, then his KHL contract effectively sets a financial baseline for his next NHL deal.

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To an extent, except the out-clause in his KHL contract apparently is predicated on him getting an equal or more favourable offer from Colorado. If this is true as reported, then his KHL contract effectively sets a financial baseline for his next NHL deal.
no one knows how much he is getting. There are loopholes around that also, a 1 year deal worth 50k more then his current contract.

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12-09-2012, 11:23 PM
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Avs get hosed in this.

Don't see Leddy ever living up to his "up side", and he is a liability defensively.

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