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12-10-2012, 10:10 AM
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Valve Releasing new PC/Console for next gen?

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/articl...sole_next_year

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Valve boss Gabe Newell has announced this week that the company will be launching a console built for the living room next year.
Newell says the company's main focus now is how to make PCs work better in the living room on the big screen. The first step was releasing their "Big Picture" UI earlier this year.

PC packages that are designed to run on a TV will be launched next year, by Valve and by other manufacturers, with each being able to run Steam flawlessly out of the gate.
Things just got a bit interesting.

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12-10-2012, 10:18 AM
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It should be an interesting step to get PC gaming to be more mainstream. Although I shutter to think of people who would buy this, hook up their XBOX 360 remote, proceed to play COD and get spanked and wonder why.

I'm assuming something like this would have upgradeable hardware which would automatically make it better than a console. We'll see though.

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Can't you just get a PC with an HDMI port? Put it on the opposite side that your sub is on and it doesn't really take much space. Wireless keyboard/mouse and boom, you're read to go.

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Can't you just get a PC with an HDMI port? Put it on the opposite side that your sub is on and it doesn't really take much space. Wireless keyboard/mouse and boom, you're read to go.
Absolutely, but the average person wouldn't do that.

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Can't you just get a PC with an HDMI port? Put it on the opposite side that your sub is on and it doesn't really take much space. Wireless keyboard/mouse and boom, you're read to go.
And if size is an issue, you can go mini-itx.

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Can't you just get a PC with an HDMI port? Put it on the opposite side that your sub is on and it doesn't really take much space. Wireless keyboard/mouse and boom, you're read to go.
You can but I think Valve is making it to appeal to the casual gamer that doesn't know anything about building computers. I have a HTPC in an HTPC case and it fits just fine on my TV stand, it looks like a DVD player and about the size of an old oversized VCR. I have a wireless Iogear keyboard that has a ball mouse built into the keyboard so I can use it comfortably from anywhere in my room.

I hope it becomes successful. I don't really see myself buying one unless it's really cheap and when I move out so I can game on a TV in a separate room, but this being successful would hopefully be good news in getting more quality games on PC and make them run better on PC. We'll see, I'll try to remain optimistic.

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Can't you just get a PC with an HDMI port? Put it on the opposite side that your sub is on and it doesn't really take much space. Wireless keyboard/mouse and boom, you're read to go.
These are going to be designed from the outset as media players/devices, ala Xbox, so there's some UI considerations. I'm not sure what 'running steam flawlessly' entails, because it's not exactly a beastly piece of software. Games, on the other hand, can be. And there's no easy way to run games at nice resolution/framerate in a small form factor. Integrated solutions just aren't there yet IMO and there's the issue of cooling.

I personally just run a HDMI cord from my 560 TIs to my receiver. Not everyone has an HDMI out on their cards though.

They need streaming video like Netflix for these to get off the ground. Valve is usually pretty creative with their approach to these sorts of things so I'm curious to see what they have in store for the market. They wouldn't bother to release a 'me-too' style box.

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Been following these rumors for a while now, up to now though they were just rumors.

This could be a great thing.

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Been following these rumors for a while now, up to now though they were just rumors.

This could be a great thing.
definitely mean this pc will be stronger in power but I am still not sure how to feel about this haha

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The problem is convincing developers to make games linux compatible or so I heard.

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Sounds like it's just an attempt to more effectively bring Steam to the casual market.

If I want something off Steam I'll sit down at my PC and use a mouse/keyboard.

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Sounds like it's just an attempt to more effectively bring Steam to the casual market.

If I want something off Steam I'll sit down at my PC and use a mouse/keyboard.
for people like me who has been more of a console man I can`t say much but be intrigued by this really.

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Can't you just get a PC with an HDMI port? Put it on the opposite side that your sub is on and it doesn't really take much space. Wireless keyboard/mouse and boom, you're read to go.
My 3rd monitor is my TV... *shrug*

But yes Whipnash is right, very few people connect their PC to their TV in any meaningful way for some reason.

I know people that buy go-betweens though, like the "Boxee."



Not sure why.

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Sounds like it's just an attempt to more effectively bring Steam to the casual market.

If I want something off Steam I'll sit down at my PC and use a mouse/keyboard.
While I'm sure it will still have them you don't even need the big cutting edge AAA releases to make a Steam Box worthwhile. With the prices you can get on it between the indy scene and years worth of backlogged games it's a worthwhile purchase to anyone that doesn't play games on their PC.

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I swear there was supposed to be this other console coming out. Had like based servers. Download games instead of buying disks. Anyone remember what im talking about?

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The problem is convincing developers to make games linux compatible or so I heard.
I wonder if that means native Linux games or Windows games that work through Wine. Would Valve use Wine or require its games to be native Linux? If it's the latter, then it presents a huge obstacle for them, since developers won't want to write Linux versions until there are lots of users for the box, which may not happen if there aren't already games; i.e. a catch-22.

If Valve doesn't use Wine, then they may have to really build other value into the box beyond PC games, so that people will buy it for other purposes--Netflix, web browsing, media center functionality and so on. Being able to run Android apps would be a cool feature, but, if Valve doesn't want to use Wine emulation, they may not want to support Android apps, either.

Valve may also face a conundrum if they want to advertise it as a "PC" for the living room, since the term has come to mean Windows to most people (Windows games even have "PC DVD" in big lettering on their boxes) and lots of people may assume that it has Windows and will run all Windows games without issue.

It'll go a long way to making the box interesting to people if it can run Windows games. It'll have a hard time if it doesn't, IMO.


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it'll be interesting to see what happens, but if i ever wanted something like this, i'd just hook my pc up to my hdtv via hdmi and call it a day. i'd much rather customize my own pc instead of buying some pre built Steam box that'd likely be somewhat lacking in power in order to remain cost effective.

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They would need to make a standard for how games operate under their system to make it viable, then pick components that are cheap and able to run new games for years, and somehow integrate console style remote to operate it. Otherwise its just an computer which is connected to TV via HDMI cable that adds nothing in value.

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I swear there was supposed to be this other console coming out. Had like based servers. Download games instead of buying disks. Anyone remember what im talking about?
On Live? Where the game would be "played" on their servers and then streamed into your device.

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Awesome for people who want to play PC games on their TV easily, or want to use an ecosystem like Steam's where games sell at very reasonable prices.

I think it's great.

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On Live? Where the game would be "played" on their servers and then streamed into your device.
No it was the Ouya. Their kickstarter fundraising was very successful but many are skeptical that they'll be able to bring something to market.

Edit: Onlive is the service it will use but Ouya is the console product.

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Awesome for people who want to play PC games on their TV easily, or want to use an ecosystem like Steam's where games sell at very reasonable prices.

I think it's great.
Agreed. Will be interesting to see what they do about controls. Will they limit it to remote only, or can us old school PCers **** with M&K?

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Agreed. Will be interesting to see what they do about controls. Will they limit it to remote only, or can us old school PCers **** with M&K?
Since they are fundamentally still PC games, I don't see why they would actively disable that functionality.

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I wonder if that means native Linux games or Windows games that work through Wine. Would Valve use Wine or require its games to be native Linux?.
This is one reason Unity is quickly becoming very popular. They took the Unreal model of having the engine available to the public, then added multiplatform support natively. Any Unity game will run on Mac, Windows, or Linux. For indies its a no brainer, and I suspect you'll see some bigger fish start to use it a bit. Probably not the EA's and such, but anyone who might license an engine.

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I hope not. Anytime I see "casual gamer" I automatically think nerfing and patches to 'level the field of play'

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