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12-09-2012, 09:46 PM
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half of the these teams in our division are already playoff teams and the rest are closer and have better prospects as well.

how the hell did they manage to get those prospects while being a competitive playoff team while the Leafs are always one of the worst teams in the league?

Ohhhhh. Right. These teams have managers and coaches who know what the **** they are doing!!!
Well look on the bright side, if our Leafs didn't finish 5th last overall last year and draft Rielly and Finn we would be in even a worse position with a weaker prospect pool than 20th overall.

So its not all bad. Our on ice struggles are improving the prospect pool and the potential future results.

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Well look on the bright side, if our Leafs didn't finish 5th last overall last year and draft Rielly and Finn we would be in even a worse position with a weaker prospect pool than 20th overall.

So its not all bad. Our on ice struggles are improving the prospect pool and the potential future results.
True but at this pace its gonna take a few more years of being the worst team in the league to match the quality of some of the top teams prospects in the league right now.

And then they have the head start of actually being a GOOD TEAM and having the development of their prospects in that time.

This team is soo behind the eight ball and it's all management's fault.

They need to be fired immediately. There can be no forgiving such **** management and ineptitude.

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12-09-2012, 09:51 PM
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interesting to look at old team rankings, this is from 2007

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...l_rankings115/

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article..._rankings1630/


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12-09-2012, 09:55 PM
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who cares.

who cares.

who cares

They came in fifth last. Then the Leafs were ninth last. Then they were second last. Then seventh last. Then fifth last.

THat means you are definitely one of the worst teams in the entire NHL. ANd that means you should have better prospects than most of the NHL.

BUt here we are with a **** team and **** prospects and people actually like the management!!!! It's bat **** crazy I tell ya!!!!

somebody has anger issues you are on the way to a heart attack

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12-09-2012, 09:57 PM
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interesting to look at old team rankings, this is from 2007

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...l_rankings115/
looks like they got a whole bunch of them spot on.

several cup winners and perennial contenders.

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Well at least we know how many teams will be left after the NHL reorg.

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Tom Wilson is listed as an elite prospect...mentioned in same sentence as Kuznetsov...


Enough said! What a laughable list and even worse write up
Wilson was picked 16th overall in the recent draft and is looking great so far so tell me why he doesn't have elite potential. I'm guessing you think it's a laughable list because your beloved leafs didn't get 1st place.

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DET is still riding the Zetterburg/Datsyuk scouting history well into their 30's. That's a bit much. I wouldn't trade their pool for ours if they threw in a couple 1sts to boot. Their best prospects are 23y/o, and their younger ones like Tatar and Jurco are long shots, IMO.

Reilly/Kadri/Colbourne/Finn/Percy vs Smith/Nyquist/Jurco/Tatar/Jarnkrok

I know who I want.
Homer away but I think the red wings' side is much better. You may have the best guy out of the two lists but the other four are far in the wings favor

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12-09-2012, 11:17 PM
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looks like they got a whole bunch of them spot on.

several cup winners and perennial contenders.
Actually it looks like they got things completely wrong for the most part:

Top Five Prospects: Jack Johnson (D), Patrick O’Sullivan (LW), Jonathan Bernier (G), Brian Boyle (C), Lauri Tukonen (RW)

Top Five Prospects: Carey Price (G), Andrei Kostitsyn (LW), Kyle Chipchura (C), Mikhail Grabovski (LW), David Fischer (D)

Jonathan Toews (C), Cam Barker (D), Jack Skille (RW), Dave Bolland (C), Corey Crawford (G)

Top Five Prospects: Erik Johnson (D), Marek Schwarz (G), T.J. Oshie (C), Patrik Berglund (C), Carl Soderberg (C)

Top Five Prospects: Nicklas Backstrom (C), Eric Fehr (RW), Semen Varlamov (G), Francois Bouchard (RW), Tomas Fleischmann (LW)

Top Five Prospects: Al Montoya (G), Marc Staal (D), Alex Bourret (RW), Jarkko Immonen (C), Nigel Dawes (LW)

Top Five Prospects: Josh Harding (G), Benoit Pouliot (LW), Roman Voloshenko (LW), James Sheppard (C), Danny Irmen (RW)

Top Five Prospects: Andrew Cogliano (C), Robert Nilsson (LW), Rob Schremp (C), Taylor Chorney (D), Marc Pouliot (C)

Top Five Prospects: Derick Brassard (C), Kris Russell (D), Alex Picard (LW), Adam Pineault (RW), Geoff Platt (C)

Top Five Prospects: Steve Downie (C), Braydon Coburn (D), Claude Giroux (RW), Ryan Parent (D), Alexandre Picard (D)

Top Five Prospects: Tuukka Rask (G), Matt Lashoff (D), Petr Kalus (C), Mark Stuart (D), David Krejci (C)

Top Five Prospects: Alexander Radulov (RW), Cody Franson (D), Kevin Klein (D), Cal O’Reilly (C), Teemu Laakso (D)

Top Five Prospects: Jimmy Howard (G), Jakub Kindl (D), Johan Ryno (RW), Jan Mursak (LW), Justin Abdelkader (LW)

Top Five Prospects: Peter Mueller (C), Martin Hanzal (C), Matt Jones (D), Keith Yandle (D), Alexei Kaigorodov (C)

Top Five Prospects: Kyle Okposo (RW), Jeff Tambellini (LW), Frans Nielsen (C), Blake Comeau (RW), Rhett Rakhshani (RW).

Look at all the nobodie who populate this list.

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12-09-2012, 11:43 PM
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Actually it looks like they got things completely wrong for the most part:

Top Five Prospects: Jack Johnson (D), Patrick O’Sullivan (LW), Jonathan Bernier (G), Brian Boyle (C), Lauri Tukonen (RW)

Top Five Prospects: Carey Price (G), Andrei Kostitsyn (LW), Kyle Chipchura (C), Mikhail Grabovski (LW), David Fischer (D)

Jonathan Toews (C), Cam Barker (D), Jack Skille (RW), Dave Bolland (C), Corey Crawford (G)

Top Five Prospects: Erik Johnson (D), Marek Schwarz (G), T.J. Oshie (C), Patrik Berglund (C), Carl Soderberg (C)

Top Five Prospects: Nicklas Backstrom (C), Eric Fehr (RW), Semen Varlamov (G), Francois Bouchard (RW), Tomas Fleischmann (LW)

Top Five Prospects: Al Montoya (G), Marc Staal (D), Alex Bourret (RW), Jarkko Immonen (C), Nigel Dawes (LW)

Top Five Prospects: Josh Harding (G), Benoit Pouliot (LW), Roman Voloshenko (LW), James Sheppard (C), Danny Irmen (RW)

Top Five Prospects: Andrew Cogliano (C), Robert Nilsson (LW), Rob Schremp (C), Taylor Chorney (D), Marc Pouliot (C)

Top Five Prospects: Derick Brassard (C), Kris Russell (D), Alex Picard (LW), Adam Pineault (RW), Geoff Platt (C)

Top Five Prospects: Steve Downie (C), Braydon Coburn (D), Claude Giroux (RW), Ryan Parent (D), Alexandre Picard (D)

Top Five Prospects: Tuukka Rask (G), Matt Lashoff (D), Petr Kalus (C), Mark Stuart (D), David Krejci (C)

Top Five Prospects: Alexander Radulov (RW), Cody Franson (D), Kevin Klein (D), Cal O’Reilly (C), Teemu Laakso (D)

Top Five Prospects: Jimmy Howard (G), Jakub Kindl (D), Johan Ryno (RW), Jan Mursak (LW), Justin Abdelkader (LW)

Top Five Prospects: Peter Mueller (C), Martin Hanzal (C), Matt Jones (D), Keith Yandle (D), Alexei Kaigorodov (C)

Top Five Prospects: Kyle Okposo (RW), Jeff Tambellini (LW), Frans Nielsen (C), Blake Comeau (RW), Rhett Rakhshani (RW).

Look at all the nobodie who populate this list.
I never said it's perfect, but the teams they identified as having good prospect pools largely went on to make the playoffs consistently and even won Stanley Cups.

Maybe take a look at their list of teams with bad prospects. I'm sure it's even worse, which is why those teams were placed there in the first place.

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Hamilton is more of a sure thing. Reilly has a higher top end potential.
How so?

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who cares.

who cares.

who cares

They came in fifth last. Then the Leafs were ninth last. Then they were second last. Then seventh last. Then fifth last.

THat means you are definitely one of the worst teams in the entire NHL. ANd that means you should have better prospects than most of the NHL.

BUt here we are with a **** team and **** prospects and people actually like the management!!!! It's bat **** crazy I tell ya!!!!
Careful, throw too big a tantrum and you might get a time-out.

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YA they do!

Every scouting publication tells you the same information too.

Montreal has better prospects than Toronto.

For every good prospect you seem to think Toronto has Montreal has that and more, so please don't take your own opinion too seriously because there are way better hockey people making the judgments on prospects than some poster on hfboards.com.
I hear cryin about it helps.

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How so?
Hamilton plays defence better by all accounts.

Reilly is like a Kaberle.

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I hear cryin about it helps.
I don't accept losers wearing the jersey I like. Sorry you do!

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Hamilton plays defence better by all accounts.

Reilly is like a Kaberle.
And you've seen them how many times?

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I never said it's perfect, but the teams they identified as having good prospect pools largely went on to make the playoffs consistently and even won Stanley Cups.

Maybe take a look at their list of teams with bad prospects. I'm sure it's even worse, which is why those teams were placed there in the first place.
Looks pretty far from perfect, and more like a 50-50 thing to me. Probably even worse if you exclude the no-brainer top prospects.

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It is disappointing to be ranked as low as we are, especially considering where we've finished these last few years. We should be top 10 easy after 7 years of no playoffs and 5 straight bottom 10 finishes. It's no secret that management has not been great at asset management.

That said, I think there is some reason to be optimistic. The team has one of the best collection of defense prospects in the league, between the likes of Rielly, Percy, Finn, and Blacker, along with darkhorses like Nilsson, Loov, and Granberg. This is in addition to Phaneuf (all of 27 years old), Gunnarsson (26), Gardiner (22), Ranger (28), Franson (25), and Holzer (24).

What hurt us is the complete lack of offense talent. All of our prospects with top-6 potential have been slow developing and have major question marks. Kadri, Colborne, Ashton?, Biggs?. Without a top forward prospect in sight, it is difficult to consider our prospect pool anywhere near the top of the league. Fortunately, we do have a solid group who do have the potential to be excellent depth players. The likes of Josh Leivo, David Broll, Brad Ross. The bottom 6 could look very good in a few years.

There's also a lack of high-end goalie prospects but I don't see anything to be too concerned about. Goalies are hard to judge. How many starters in the league today were signed out of Europe or drafted in the latter rounds? Ryan Miller, Henrik Lundqvist, Pekka Rinne, were all picked outside of the first two rounds. There may be no Markstrom in our system but Owuya has solid potential, Sparks seems to have solid potential, and Reimer (though no longer considered a prospect) certainly has solid potential.

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And you've seen them how many times?
Many times.

For example, I saw Edmonton constantly sending out St. Croix and Lazar out against Reilly's pairing the other game.

Edmonton's coach must be consciously sending out his star forwards against Rielly because he thinks they'll get shut down, right?

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Hamilton
Reilly
Kadri
Gardner

I think we'd be top 5 in NHL - its not like our NHL team could do any worse without Phil Kessel after all we all know our record.

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Many times.

For example, I saw Edmonton constantly sending out St. Croix and Lazar out against Reilly's pairing the other game.

Edmonton's coach must be consciously sending out his star forwards against Rielly because he thinks they'll get shut down, right?
You say many times and point out 1 example...of Reilly.

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Many times.

For example, I saw Edmonton constantly sending out St. Croix and Lazar out against Reilly's pairing the other game.

Edmonton's coach must be consciously sending out his star forwards against Rielly because he thinks they'll get shut down, right?
Maybe it's because if Edmonton sent out any other forwards they'd stand absolutely no chance of scoring against Rielly?

You can't know for sure, no point in assuming things.

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You say many times and point out 1 example...of Reilly.
...of a nationally televised game too....hmmmm

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Maybe it's because if Edmonton sent out any other forwards they'd stand absolutely no chance of scoring against Rielly?

You can't know for sure, no point in assuming things.
That's not an assumption.

Edmonton has last change for the lines.

Why would they send their star offensive weapons over the boards against Rielly ?

It couldn't be because they think they are disadvantaged by doing so . That would be a poor coaching strategy....

Common sense...

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You say many times and point out 1 example...of Reilly.
How many more would you like?

Something tells me anything short of infinity will be insufficient.

Dougie Hamilton plays better defence and is as good offensively.

There. I said it.

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