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01-23-2013, 05:51 PM
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What do you guys think about Jurco having a rough year in the AHL? I've got him in a sim hockey league, and I have been considering moving him
Growing pains and a lack of confidence. he's excelled everywhere he's played up until now. he was also 19 to start the season. but he has all the tools. as soon as he gets on a small roll I could see him turning into a major producer. If Gus, stays up in Detroit it will also help get him more Ice time with better players.

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01-23-2013, 06:12 PM
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What do you guys think about Jurco having a rough year in the AHL? I've got him in a sim hockey league, and I have been considering moving him
Way too soon to pull the plug on him. Lots of kids struggle their first year as a pro, and Jurco is on the younger side for a rookie too. Landon Ferraro is a good example of how a player can struggle to adjust to the pros but blossom in their 2nd year.

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01-23-2013, 06:59 PM
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Growing pains and a lack of confidence. he's excelled everywhere he's played up until now. he was also 19 to start the season. but he has all the tools. as soon as he gets on a small roll I could see him turning into a major producer. If Gus, stays up in Detroit it will also help get him more Ice time with better players.
That is a big part of it, at this point how in the world do you play him in the top six with Nyquist, Tatar, Ferraro and Pare. They have a tough top six winger position to crack and when you don't perform there are other guys that get chances.

He is very young, but his confidence if pretty low. I think Jurco will be fine, there are still flashes of his talent. He has a quick release and very nifty hands. It is decision making and gaining more strength that are the biggest needs. Those are both things you expect guys to continue improving on and I think he will to. He also could use some pointers on skating, as he glides a lot and needs to be more deliberate and accelerate a little quicker.

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01-23-2013, 07:16 PM
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That is a big part of it, at this point how in the world do you play him in the top six with Nyquist, Tatar, Ferraro and Pare. They have a tough top six winger position to crack and when you don't perform there are other guys that get chances.

He is very young, but his confidence if pretty low. I think Jurco will be fine, there are still flashes of his talent. He has a quick release and very nifty hands. It is decision making and gaining more strength that are the biggest needs. Those are both things you expect guys to continue improving on and I think he will to. He also could use some pointers on skating, as he glides a lot and needs to be more deliberate and accelerate a little quicker.
I think Blashill is perfect for him. He is great with the young guys and knows how to develop them. So just give him time.

You're right about his game. I think the biggest thing for him is his strength, which will allow him to dominate near the boards with those hands and obviously everywhere else as well. He's not afraid to go to the dirty areas but he's too weak to be effective. I notice how he tends to float around as well. I don't know if its a lack of urgency or what. Definitely needs to work on his agility and speed.

One more thing I believe he's struggling with is he tries to be perfect out there. He's always making the safe, simple plays (dumping it in, etc.). Which is by no means a bad thing, it shows he's thinking out there and is aware, but I'd like to see him take a few chances (dangle, etc.). But I'm sure that will come with age.

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01-24-2013, 03:16 AM
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Quine 1A +1.
Paterson 32/35 in a shootout win, saved all SO shots.
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01-24-2013, 03:26 AM
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Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet, but here's an article on Quine from the OHL's website. I think he's gonna be more than what we thought of him in past years. he's always on the score sheet, has really good wheels; and his one real thing against him was his plus minus. Since the trade that has been no issue for him. I don't think he will be a star but I do see NHL potential in the style of Miller.
http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/a...rtunity/136908

I don't get the chance to see him play so I'm interested, how is he, before and after the trade to Belleville?

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01-24-2013, 09:10 AM
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Håkan Andersson with some harsh words on former prospect Dick Axelsson

– We don't believe in Dicks ability to push himself on the ice or in the Gym. He does not have the physical status he ought to have, says Andersson.

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01-24-2013, 10:45 AM
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Håkan Andersson with some harsh words on former prospect Dick Axelsson

– We don't believe in Dicks ability to push himself on the ice or in the Gym. He does not have the physical status he ought to have, says Andersson.

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Any comments on the others? Like Bodin? It looks like he's jumping between Tranås(Div1) and HV71 U20. He played in juniors on the 20th and Div1 yesterday.

Btw, Pulkkinen just scored after a couple of games without points.

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Pulkkinen scores his 12th goal of the year

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01-24-2013, 11:43 AM
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Quine 1A +1.
Paterson 32/35 in a shootout win, saved all SO shots.
AA2 -1.
Sproul 2A, -1.
Good showing by most of those guys. RWC's most recent article is on Sproul with Jiri Fischer having good things to say about him.

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01-24-2013, 06:09 PM
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It is becoming somewhat likely with Hamilton up in Boston for the rest of the year that Sproul and Ouellet could win defenseman of the year in both the OHL and QMJHL. I am wondering when is the last time a team has done that? Has to be kind of unsual.

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01-24-2013, 10:17 PM
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It is becoming somewhat likely with Hamilton up in Boston for the rest of the year that Sproul and Ouellet could win defenseman of the year in both the OHL and QMJHL. I am wondering when is the last time a team has done that? Has to be kind of unsual.
I wonder if Ouellet has a shot at CHL dman of the year....

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I wonder if Ouellet has a shot at CHL dman of the year....
How much do they value production versus complete game, and can overagers win?

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01-25-2013, 05:19 AM
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I hope Ouellet improves his speed if he's gonna have a career in the NHL, in the U-20 tournament he looked kind of slow imo, he was supposed to be recovered from the ankle injury so you can't blame it on that.

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How much do they value production versus complete game, and can overagers win?
Its complete game but you do have to produce to win it. Ouellets on a high profile team, wears the C, produces and plays very strong defensively

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I hope Ouellet improves his speed if he's gonna have a career in the NHL, in the U-20 tournament he looked kind of slow imo, he was supposed to be recovered from the ankle injury so you can't blame it on that.
Ouellets speed is fine. First of all the ankle was a factor, he hopped into the best junior tourney in the world without playing for over a month and secondly he didnt even look "slow" out there.

Hes not a burner by any means but hes a very good skater and smart positionally so its not a huge factor

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01-25-2013, 10:46 AM
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Its complete game but you do have to produce to win it. Ouellets on a high profile team, wears the C, produces and plays very strong defensively



Ouellets speed is fine. First of all the ankle was a factor, he hopped into the best junior tourney in the world without playing for over a month and secondly he didnt even look "slow" out there.

Hes not a burner by any means but hes a very good skater and smart positionally so its not a huge factor
I like you newfy, i really do. But you're way too optimistic, I've never seen you write anything negative about any prospects. It's like a fairytale.

One kind of wish that Ouellet had Beaulieu's skating... it's not bad as in Pulkkinen/Frk-bad but I wish he'd amp it up so he can be a future top2 defender, he's looking more like a 4th D, which isn't too bad but still.

Ouellet is my favourite prospect after Järnkrok, so I have high hopes for him and wish he'd improve on the things that isn't as strong.

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01-25-2013, 11:14 AM
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I like you newfy, i really do. But you're way too optimistic, I've never seen you write anything negative about any prospects. It's like a fairytale.

One kind of wish that Ouellet had Beaulieu's skating... it's not bad as in Pulkkinen/Frk-bad but I wish he'd amp it up so he can be a future top2 defender, he's looking more like a 4th D, which isn't too bad but still.

Ouellet is my favourite prospect after Järnkrok, so I have high hopes for him and wish he'd improve on the things that isn't as strong.
Saying he isnt slow isnt being too optimistic. Saying he was slow at the world juniors is being pessimistic lol especially if you want to say his ankle didnt factor into it. He hadnt played for over a month and jumped right into that tourney and logged as much ice time as any dman on Canada on big ice.

Is he an absolute burner? No not at all but hes a good skater, its one of his best assets and the red wings brass say his mobility is one of the biggest reasons they drafted him.

You dont get to where Ouellet is with being a poor skater to the point it may hamper your game.

And I do write things about prospects when theres something wrong with them. For example, the entire board being absolutely in love with Athansiou in the summer. Having a good year now and may even get looked at for Canada next year but not even close to sold on him. I think a lot of the time me posting good things about the prospects gets mistaken as me thinking they'll make the NHL. Like when I said Quine should get a contract after this season.

Dont ask me about Aubry this year, I also dont come in this thread to post all the bad things. When I see something good I post it so chances are if I dont talk about a guy hes not doing well

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One kind of wish that Ouellet had Beaulieu's skating... it's not bad as in Pulkkinen/Frk-bad but I wish he'd amp it up so he can be a future top2 defender, he's looking more like a 4th D, which isn't too bad but still
To be fair to Ouellet, his skating is much better than what we saw in the last few games at the WJC. He was skating very well in the summertime against Russia.

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Also I really love D's like Duncan Keith and Kris Letang, skating backwards as fast as straight forward etc. They don't grow on trees, but wings would be a much better team if they had 2-3D's like that that, can skate with the fastest forwards in the game etc. Kronwall is good but not on their level in terms of skating.

Hopefully they draft players with best skating ability, I think it will be even more important in the new and future NHL.. Skating and hockey-IQ, the rest will take care of itself.

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Also I really love D's like Duncan Keith and Kris Letang, skating backwards as fast as straight forward etc. They don't grow on trees, but wings would be a much better team if they had 2-3D's like that that, can skate with the fastest forwards in the game etc. Kronwall is good but not on their level in terms of skating.

Hopefully they draft players with best skating ability, I think it will be even more important in the new and future NHL.. Skating and hockey-IQ, the rest will take care of itself.
Agree with this. Skating is a premium in the NHL now, speed kills. The wings have some fast young guys now at least they were so slow for a while. Helm, Ferraro, Mursak are all really fast. Plus signing Brunner was to add speed to the top 6 I think.

As for Ouellet, yeah he will never be close to Keith or Letang but those 2 are probably top 3 in the league in skating for dmen. Ouellet skates fast enough to play though, he was just mroe exposed on big ice that he wasnt used to. If you watch the games for Canada though every dman struggled out there adjusting to the ice. I'd rather have Ouellet then Murphy even though Murphy is an amazing skater

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Also I really love D's like Duncan Keith and Kris Letang, skating backwards as fast as straight forward etc. They don't grow on trees, but wings would be a much better team if they had 2-3D's like that that, can skate with the fastest forwards in the game etc. Kronwall is good but not on their level in terms of skating.

Hopefully they draft players with best skating ability, I think it will be even more important in the new and future NHL.. Skating and hockey-IQ, the rest will take care of itself.
I know he probably won't get near that level although Keith really came out of nowhere, but by talent discription you pretty much just nailed Nick Jensen.

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I know he probably won't get near that level although Keith really came out of nowhere, but by talent discription you pretty much just nailed Nick Jensen.
Yeah Jensen can fly and Backman is a very good skater.

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Yeah Jensen can fly and Backman is a very good skater.
I still think Jensen might be the best skater in the entire system.

Right there with Ferraro, Anathasiou, and Quine. To the point we were talking about to he is still extremely fast when he throws it in reverse. The kid skates like a Boyle, Keith and Letang. He doesn't have their high end skill, but he is a lot like a very famous alumni from his school in Hedican.

I know he is older than a lot of people want but I see no way when I have watched him that he doesn't crack the NHL. His skating is just that good he will get a chance and he will do immediate damage in the AHL because of it in my opinion.

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Skating is important, but not as important as anticipation, positioning, and the like. Lidstrom was never an elite skater. Really he was average to slightly above average at best. He proved that you can excel using other skills, much like Ouellet is showing.

Bret Hedican was fast as the wind forwards and backwards but he was never more than a #3/4 type. Heck, just look at Brett Lebda to see why skating might be one of the more overrated benchmarks for a defenseman.

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Skating is important, but not as important as anticipation, positioning, and the like. Lidstrom was never an elite skater. Really he was average to slightly above average at best. He proved that you can excel using other skills, much like Ouellet is showing.

Bret Hedican was fast as the wind forwards and backwards but he was never more than a #3/4 type. Heck, just look at Brett Lebda to see why skating might be one of the more overrated benchmarks for a defenseman.
But you're naming NHL d-man, even Lebda had more than just a short stint in the NHL. Guys with the skating that Jensen has, generally make the show in some capacity. I am not saying he will be a star, just saying I see no way it doesn't get him to the big show at some point.

Hedican also played over a 1,000 games and was one of the better #3/4 types out there. He tailored that speed into a solid stay at home game, remains to be seen if Jensen can do that.

Ouellet is no doubt a much better player. I am a huge fan, his hockey IQ is impressive. He reminds me of Vlasic out in San Jose. Guy just rarely makes mistakes. I just don't think a lot of people know much about Jensen, I am fortunate enough to have seen him on a couple times and his skating is NHL level electric, especially for a backend guy. He also isn't a small guy either and a right handed shot, if we can turn him into a speedy stay at home guy I will jump with joy.

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