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12-14-2012, 04:12 AM
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if there's no season that's really gonna hurt Jarnkrok's chances at sticking in the NHL next year I think

I think the Wings would be a lot less reluctant to give Jarnkrok a real chance if Nyquist and Smith had been able to get full NHL seasons in this year(and Tatar likely a bunch of games as well with various injuries)

instead now they may feel like having Jarnkrok in there too next year would just be too much inexperienced youth to have in the lineup at the same time
I don't know how they're gonna get it work but since he's the only top6 capable center coming, I think they need to get him over so he can adapt to the NA style.

Franzen-Datsyuk-Nyquist
Filppula-Zetterberg-Brunner
Jarnkrok/Tatar-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Abdelkader-Tootoo
Emmerton/Andersson/Mursak/Brunner/Eaves ?

One thing is I think Tatar is starting to get bored down there. He's smart, he knows he's second in line behind Nyquist, but he's been there four years now. That's more than paying your dues for a European player and he's doing well on top of it. He doesn't have much leverage however, as he's got next season left on his entry level deal. If they really want to try out Brunner, Tatar might be looking at another season start in the minors. But they gotta monitor the situation so they don't piss him off. If they first promote Nyquist, then bring over Brunner and Jarnkrok on the team and he's down there still.. well.

One option could be to send Calle to the Griffins to center the first line for a while until injuries occur. Maybe he'd be open to the idea, maybe the Wings don't want that, who knows. But from a management standpoint it sounds reasonable.

Let's hope the season starts.. lol.

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12-14-2012, 05:12 AM
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I think Järnkrok goes to Griffins at next season, and plays mainly there. There has always been this crap talk how they can see somebody fitting right in to NHL. But it never goes that way. They wan't to bring him in smoothly, through the farm system.

We have just too many people there for the 2013-14 season, but after that, there's a 100% sure spot for Järnkrok, if he develops well. Especially if Datsyuk leaves.

If we let Miller, Eaves, Emmerton, Cleary and Filppula just walk after 2013. There's still probably:

Franzen - Zetterberg - Brunner
Bertuzzi - Datsyuk - Nyquist
Tatar - Helm - Samuelsson
Mursak - Abdelkader - Tootoo
(Andersson, Järnkrok)

Better to play down, than sit on the bench. But he will get his NHL stint under the belt, no doubt about that. But I can't believe for full NHL season.

If somebody sees money problem here, he can sign him to 900k 1-way contract to keep him off considering KHL offers and go with that AHL route.

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12-14-2012, 05:32 AM
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Wings also hasn't had a Euro playing prospect of his calibre for quite some time. Which is probably why they speak highly of him in regards to making the team. But like I said, from a management standpoint it makes a lot of sense.

Maybe the bottomline here is that they should just play the best players. That's the easiest way, and most fair.

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12-14-2012, 06:51 AM
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Is Ouellet the 6th D? I thought he was in the top4?

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12-14-2012, 07:28 AM
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Is Ouellet the 6th D? I thought he was in the top4?
He will get his 20minutes per game. No matter what the pairing is. I'm quite sure Wotherspoon and Murphy will get less icetime than Ouellet.

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12-14-2012, 09:58 AM
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2013-2014 Roster

Filppula- Datsyuk- Nyquist
Franzen- Zetterberg- Brunner
Helm- Jarnkrok- Tatar
Abdelkader- Andersson- Samuelsson
Tootoo- Bertuzzi

Kronwall- Smith
Quincey- White
Ericsson- Coliacovo
Kindl

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Gustavsson

That's what I want realistically. Only thing I'd be a little worried about is the amount of rookies in the line up.

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12-14-2012, 10:42 AM
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Do you think it's a good chance Paterson could be a starter for next years world junior tournament? He's under aged this tournament.

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12-14-2012, 10:55 AM
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2013-2014 Roster

Filppula- Datsyuk- Nyquist
Franzen- Zetterberg- Brunner
Helm- Jarnkrok- Tatar
Abdelkader- Andersson- Samuelsson
Tootoo- Bertuzzi

Kronwall- Smith
Quincey- White
Ericsson- Coliacovo
Kindl

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Gustavsson

That's what I want realistically. Only thing I'd be a little worried about is the amount of rookies in the line up.
I like the looks of that but I'd make a few tweaks. Switch TooToo and Sammy, he does not belong on a checking/energy line with Abby and Andersson. Also I'm not sold on Brunner just yet, I hope he can transfer his skills to the NA ice but I'm not holding my breath, But if he can the 2013 Top-6/9 will be lethal, fast and skilled.
Realistically though I don't see any chance of this if the season is cancelled, that would mean 6 rookies on the roster (if they re-up Brunner) and I just don't see that happening.
Also I hope they make a trade for a stay at home defensive specialist by that time, I don't like the looks of the Quincey-White pairing.

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12-14-2012, 11:16 AM
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My take on the lineup next year...assuming there's a season.

Nyquist - Datsyuk - Franzen
Filppula - Zetterberg - Brunner
Tatar - Jarnkrok - Sammy/Bert
Abdelkader - Helm - Tootoo
Andersson

Kronwall - Edler
Ericsson - Smith
Quincey - White
Coliacovo

Howard
Gustavsson

I really do think Jarnkrok will go directly from the SEL to the Red Wings lineup. Let's not pretend we have a large stockpile of top 6 forwards. Start him off on the 3rd line and if all goes well he can quickly move up into the top 6.

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12-14-2012, 03:19 PM
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Do you think it's a good chance Paterson could be a starter for next years world junior tournament? He's under aged this tournament.
Good chance. A lot of people thought he was comign as a 94 to be groomed a bit and gain the experience. After this camp though if he keeps it up he could steal the starter spot from Subban (although unlikely)

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12-14-2012, 03:28 PM
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Do you think it's a good chance Paterson could be a starter for next years world junior tournament? He's under aged this tournament.
Would guess it comes down to him and Fucale, his experience having actually been before could be a big factor.

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12-14-2012, 07:06 PM
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Would guess it comes down to him and Fucale, his experience having actually been before could be a big factor.
really like your new av.


maybe not so new av? Haven't been on in awhile. disgusted with the state of the NHL.

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12-14-2012, 08:44 PM
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maybe not so new av? Haven't been on in awhile. disgusted with the state of the NHL.
Hurt to drop the Tvrdon one, but he is out for the whole year, guess I will have to wait for a Griffins one next year. You could go get Frk one over in the World Junior Championship board if you put in a request.

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12-15-2012, 08:19 AM
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Looks like Bäckman has been promoted to the 1st pair alongside Kronwall jr. In the first game he didn't get much icetime but should have a bigger role today. The game is 2-0 for Sweden in the 1st. Here's a strea, Bäckman is #8 in yellow: http://www8.livetv.ru/webplayer2.php...41&ci=196&si=2

Btw, do our Swedish posters think Staffan could play in the NHL? Wouldn't mind a guy like him now that Stuart left. He seems to be playing a big role for team Sweden lately.

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Bäckman was food poisoned early in the week, it's possible he would've played more against Russia otherwise. He's getting time today anyway.

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12-15-2012, 08:53 AM
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Looks like Bäckman has been promoted to the 1st pair alongside Kronwall jr. In the first game he didn't get much icetime but should have a bigger role today. The game is 2-0 for Sweden in the 1st. Here's a strea, Bäckman is #8 in yellow: http://www8.livetv.ru/webplayer2.php...41&ci=196&si=2

Btw, do our Swedish posters think Staffan could play in the NHL? Wouldn't mind a guy like him now that Stuart left. He seems to be playing a big role for team Sweden lately.
What number is Calle's cousin wearing? Or is he with the U 20s?

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Elias Lindholm is not on the team, this is the men's national team. Calle not there either, #19 is Bäckström. Here are the lineups: http://stats.swehockey.se/Game/LineUps/150762

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Elias Lindholm is not on the team, this is the men's national team. Calle not there either, #19 is Bäckström. Here are the lineups: http://stats.swehockey.se/Game/LineUps/150762
Yeah edited it after I thought about it for a second, thanks for the quick response. I would think he might suit up later in the year possibly, I guess they need the NHL players gone, but I thought Calle started doing these in the year things pretty early, right? Or do they have a hard age limit? I will be honest don't do a lot of tuning in to the EHT stuff, would like to more so thanks for the link.

Looks like Bäckman skating has improved a little to be honest. Calle is getting rest right or was he omitted because of play?

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On little (Big) Kronwall I think his problem was always skating. Imagine if you could give Niklas his size. Steffan does have a heavy shot caught a Lokomotiv game not to long ago and he was impressive. I think he has improved over there, but I don't know if he would even want to come back. He would want ice time so at least for us it is a non-starter. Much like Valtteri Filppula's brother I think both deserve a shot again, but really it would be better for them if they got it somewhere else probably. But yeah you can't tell me he wouldn't be a great stop gap in Edmonton or Minnesota right now. Of course he is signed for next year too with Lokomotiv.

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Yeah edited it after I thought about it for a second, thanks for the quick response. I would think he might suit up later in the year possibly, I guess they need the NHL players gone, but I thought Calle started doing these in the year things pretty early, right? Or do they have a hard age limit? I will be honest don't do a lot of tuning in to the EHT stuff, would like to more so thanks for the link.

Looks like Bäckman skating has improved a little to be honest. Calle is getting rest right or was he omitted because of play?
Resting him. There are lots of players who really, really shouldn't be on a Swedish national team.

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Sproul had an pp assist in a 2-1 win.
Hudon -1.
Quine 2 A in a 2-5 loss.
Nedolmel -2 in a 3-4 loss.. No points in 6 games and -6.

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Yeah edited it after I thought about it for a second, thanks for the quick response. I would think he might suit up later in the year possibly, I guess they need the NHL players gone, but I thought Calle started doing these in the year things pretty early, right? Or do they have a hard age limit? I will be honest don't do a lot of tuning in to the EHT stuff, would like to more so thanks for the link.

Looks like Bäckman skating has improved a little to be honest. Calle is getting rest right or was he omitted because of play?
It's not very common for draft eligible players to make the EHT, especially in the tournaments before Christmas since the U20 teams preparing for the WJC have their own camps at the same times. After the new year you might see a couple, Lindholm and Barkov are probably the most likely ones. There's no age limit, though. I think it's rare for a player to make all four tournaments (Finland, Sweden, Russia, Czech) during the season as the coaches want to see as many WC-candidates as possible. Also, the best roster of each team is usually chosen for their home tournament, just like Russia's group in this one (played in Moscow) is extremely strong.

Apparently CSKA's head coach was fired today, hopefully Marchenko will keep getting good icetime under the new one as well.


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Sproul had an pp assist in a 2-1 win.
Hudon -1.
Quine 2 A in a 2-5 loss.
Nedolmel -2 in a 3-4 loss.. No points in 6 games and -6.
Jensen also had two helpers last night.

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Looks like paterson won't play a game

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