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Is Grabovski a top-six centre on a contender?

View Poll Results: Is Grabovski a first or second line centre on a contender?
Yes 164 56.94%
No 77 26.74%
Not if they want to win 47 16.32%
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12-10-2012, 02:31 AM
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You're right. Although let's also consider that the Ducks 2C was Getzlaf (who ended up playing more than Andy, and so did Pahlsson during the cup run) and the Bruins' was Bergeron; both teams had crazy forward depth.
True, but would you have bee comfortable with Pahlsson or Getzlaf (at that time) going into the finals as your 1C?

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12-10-2012, 02:42 AM
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No, he's a top 6 center on the Leafs.

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12-10-2012, 02:42 AM
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Definitely good enough to be a second line center on a contender though, assuming the team is strong in other areas; first line center especially.

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12-10-2012, 02:55 AM
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Teams can be constructed in so many different ways. Even looking at nothing but post-lockout Stanley Cup champs, we've seen:

- Brett Hedican as the #1 dman on a cup winning team (2006 Canes)
- David Krejci and Andy McDonald as the #1 Cs on cup winning teams (2011 Bruins and 2007 Ducks)
- Antti Niemi and Chris Osgood as the #1 goalies on cup winning teams (2010 Hawks and 2008 Wings)

These guys would be considered weak #1 dmen/centres/goalies, but teams still won the cup with them playing those positions. Grabo is an above average #2 C, he could clearly be the #2 C on a contender as long as the rest of the team was strong.
Andy McDonald at that time was far from a weak 1st line centre. The year the Ducks won the cup he was 12th among all centres in points, far from the best but above average among the 1Cs that year. He also had 10 goals in 21 playoff games that year which led the team.

As for the question, Grabovski is absolutely good enough to be a #2 on a cup winner. He shouldn't be counted on to be a 1C though.

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12-10-2012, 04:03 AM
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Not on any contender right now, he's not bad but it does seem that every contender has a better #2 center.

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12-10-2012, 05:06 AM
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If the team is very strong overall I dont see why not. I think they could be contenders but we do see a lot of cup winning teams with better #2s than Grabovski.

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12-10-2012, 05:21 AM
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Yep, Grabovski ending up on a 3rd line would mean his team has some serious, scary depth at center.

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12-10-2012, 08:35 AM
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The answer is no, if you look at this past list of top 6 centers of cup finalists. Would be hard to argue, Grabovoski is the same quality of these players especially since he has never even played one NHL playoff game.

2012
Kopitar 76pts
Mike Richards 44pts missed 8 games 15pts playoffs
Zajac 14pts playoffs hurt(played well he played in playoffs)
Henrique(Rookie) 51pts missed 8 games 13pts playoffs

2011
Sedin 94pts
Kesler 73pts
Krejci 62pts missed 7 games 23pts playoffs
Bergeron 57pts 20pts playoffs

2010
Carter 61pts missed 8 games
Mike Richards 62pts 23pts playoffs
Sharp 66pts 22pts Playoffs
Toews 68pts 29pts Playoffs+Cup

2009
Malkin 113pts 36pts playoffs
Crosby 103pts
Datsyuk 97pts
Zetterberg 73pts

2008
Crosby 72pts 27pts playoffs
Malkin 106
Zetterberg 92
Datsyuk 97pts

2007
Getzlaf 58pts 17pts (team high in playoffs) playoffs+Cup
Mcdonald 78pts
Fisher 48 pts missed 14 games
Spezza 87 pts missed 15 games

2006
Horcoff 74pts 19pts playoffs
Stoll 68pts
Brind'Amour 70pts
Staal 100 pts

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12-10-2012, 08:51 AM
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Absolutely at #2 center.

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12-10-2012, 08:58 AM
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Just to be clear, most agree that he is a great #2C and could be a #2C/top 6 forward for a contender. However none of us have said that he'd be a #1 on a contender.

Granted it is funny seeing his poll backfire on him.
The question is can he be a top #1 or #2 on a cup contender, he is a good center on a 25th place team where he was competing for ice time against the likes of John Mitchell, Tyler Bozak, Mat Lombardi, or Mat Stajan. To assume he can displace say a Bergeron, Krejci, Richards or Kopitar and the Kings or Bruins not missing a beat is far less certain.

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12-10-2012, 09:03 AM
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Yes. I think he is a good #2 centre on a contender.

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12-10-2012, 09:05 AM
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I think he's a solid #2 center. The Leafs' problem isn't that Grabovski isn't a top 6 center. Their problem is that they don't have another one.

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12-10-2012, 09:23 AM
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He's exactly who you want on a playoff team. He has the talent to be a good 2nd line C on a contender, but its more of his heart and soul - never give up attitude that excels a team in the playoffs. I could be wrong since we have yet to see him there, but to me that's his most important quality.

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12-10-2012, 09:25 AM
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yeah, I don't see why not.

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12-10-2012, 09:33 AM
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yeah, I don't see why not.
I would have liked to have seen the question written is Grabovski a top 6 Center on a cup winner.

This question would get a yes, for over half the players in the NHL.

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12-10-2012, 10:07 AM
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The question is can he be a top #1 or #2 on a cup contender, he is a good center on a 25th place team where he was competing for ice time against the likes of John Mitchell, Tyler Bozak, Mat Lombardi, or Mat Stajan. To assume he can displace say a Bergeron, Krejci, Richards or Kopitar and the Kings or Bruins not missing a beat is far less certain.
Considering it's now more than just Leafs fans saying it it kind of throws your whole bias card out the window. Other people can see that he has talent, why can't you?

Another thing, who does Grabo play for again? I didn't realize he not only plays for the Leafs but the Bruins and L.A as well. Hell that's pretty impressive!

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12-10-2012, 10:12 AM
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You can't just straight up use stats like that though, he likely wouldn't get the quality of minutes that he gets in Toronto on a team with better center depth.

(Not saying I disagree that he is a great #2, just playing devil's advocate)
I'd say you can just use stats. The fact of the matter is, he did get the quality of minutes he did and he did perform as a top 30 scorer among centers two years in a row.
If he can perform at that level, he can perform at that level.

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12-10-2012, 10:59 AM
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Considering it's now more than just Leafs fans saying it it kind of throws your whole bias card out the window. Other people can see that he has talent, why can't you?

Another thing, who does Grabo play for again? I didn't realize he not only plays for the Leafs but the Bruins and L.A as well. Hell that's pretty impressive!
When did I say Grabo couldn't play on a contender, when over half the league could? You can read can't you? I said by the list of Centers I posted of past cup finalists he wouldn't have cracked the top Center's line up.

So either you agree or disagree with this. I personally would never take Grabovoski over Richards, Kopitar, Bergeron, or Malkin. ect...

Maybe you would. But you are Leafs fan.

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12-10-2012, 11:07 AM
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Grabovski is immensely underrated here.
No kidding. He would be a great option to have as a 2C behind star center. Anybody saying he isnt good enough, honestly dont know what they're talking about.

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12-10-2012, 11:10 AM
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I don't see why he couldn't be. Give him a couple of solid wingers to play with and he can provide some decent secondary scoring.

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12-10-2012, 11:13 AM
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He could be... but I think it depends on the structure of the team. Hawks would do really well with him, for example, because it frees up Kane to do his thing on the wing, gives both Sharp and Hossa a true center to work with, and the Hawks forwards are good enough defensively that they don't need to rely on him in that role. He might even be able to help out the PP.

On a team where he is relied on as a 'core' player, I think that team will struggle. He seems to be a better complimentary player.

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12-10-2012, 12:11 PM
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Chicago = contender
Grabovski = #2 C in Chicago
answer = yes

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12-10-2012, 12:16 PM
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Interesting, seems like other fans actually like Grabovski.

Anyway it's great to see this poll backfire, usually attempts to belittle Leaf fans have the opposite effect

And oh look, Interactif is here

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12-10-2012, 12:20 PM
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He'd be right there on the Blues. The way the Blues roll 3 lines, Grabovski would be a great player to have.

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12-10-2012, 12:24 PM
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Chris Osgood as the #1 goalies on cup winning teams (2008 Wings)
Osgood was an All-Star, and a Vezina contender that year and likely would have been a finalist or close had he not been in a tandem with Hasek all season. He also was considered a front-runner for the Smythe that year AND the following year.

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