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12-11-2012, 09:38 AM
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Eastern conference teams will have such a huge advantage over western conference teams if teams only play within their conference for the regular season.

The travel disparity between the two conferences will be massive and maybe really unfair advantage?
If they are only playing within conferences, then what advantage would the East gain?

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Ok, then here's part 2 of that question.

Would that prevent the NHL from removing the lockout and actually starting games even if the new CBA hasn't been 100% voted for/ratified/whatever you call it?
No. But there would need to be time to get players back in town and get at least a short training camp session to get in game shape. Many players are not currently playing elsewhere, at least not at a high competitive level. In addition you needs the arena staff to get in and stocked up and ready to go. Sounds simple, but you would be surprised at the logistics involved.

I would think at the very least they would need one week.

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12-11-2012, 09:40 AM
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If they are only playing within conferences, then what advantage would the East gain?
Everyone is so damn close to each other.

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12-11-2012, 09:42 AM
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or maybe the west would be more prepared to the traveling that would be required in the finals. Such a trivial issue to try and predict.

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Everyone is so damn close to each other.
But again, if they East and West aren't playing then what competitive advantage do they have over each other?

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"Look," he began, "the bottom line is, this is pretty simple: Our owners went in last week, tried to cut to the chase, threw their cards on table, said, 'We're willing to give xyz, but here's what we need: a, b and c."

"The union decided to come back and didn't hit any of a, b or c. They didn't hit on CBA term, the owners' term limits on contracts, or the variables. And they entirely punted the transition rules on buy-outs and escrow."

Is the PA really that clueless?

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"Look," he began, "the bottom line is, this is pretty simple: Our owners went in last week, tried to cut to the chase, threw their cards on table, said, 'We're willing to give xyz, but here's what we need: a, b and c."

"The union decided to come back and didn't hit any of a, b or c. They didn't hit on CBA term, the owners' term limits on contracts, or the variables. And they entirely punted the transition rules on buy-outs and escrow."

Is the PA really that clueless?
didn't the players and owners basically have an agreement on a,b,c also? but then they came back on the day the meetings went sour with fehr bringing in a offer that back tracked on that said agreement.

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"Look," he began, "the bottom line is, this is pretty simple: Our owners went in last week, tried to cut to the chase, threw their cards on table, said, 'We're willing to give xyz, but here's what we need: a, b and c."

"The union decided to come back and didn't hit any of a, b or c. They didn't hit on CBA term, the owners' term limits on contracts, or the variables. And they entirely punted the transition rules on buy-outs and escrow."

Is the PA really that clueless?
It would seem so.

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But again, if they East and West aren't playing then what competitive advantage do they have over each other?
Technically the only team at a disadvantage is Winnipeg

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didn't the players and owners basically have an agreement on a,b,c also? but then they came back on the day the meetings went sour with fehr bringing in a offer that back tracked on that said agreement.
I haven't heard any account that says that the players agreed to the owners terms. It was more like the owners said 'we'll give you a,b,c in exchange for x,y,z' and the players took a,b,c but didn't indicate to the owners that they accept x,y,z. They took x,y,z to Fehr, they went over it and then they created an official proposal that accepted a,b,c while changing the conditions of x,y,z.

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"Look," he began, "the bottom line is, this is pretty simple: Our owners went in last week, tried to cut to the chase, threw their cards on table, said, 'We're willing to give xyz, but here's what we need: a, b and c."

"The union decided to come back and didn't hit any of a, b or c. They didn't hit on CBA term, the owners' term limits on contracts, or the variables. And they entirely punted the transition rules on buy-outs and escrow."

Is the PA really that clueless?
Does xyz stand for make whole? See the problem I have with all of this garbage going on is that the NHL says they gave them what they want, when actually they gave the PA part of what they want and complain that they didnt get everything else their way. The PA wanted 393 million, NHL says they will do 300. So by their own logic they arent giving the PA what it wants.
I would be pro owner if they gave the full make whole and the PA wouldnt budge on those other things, but the ffact is that they arent and still want full control of other things.

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As we move closer to a CBA, amid all of the fire-spitting, the biggest question now among teams is the "transition rules." The NHL says it doesn't want amnesties or an escrow limit. So if the cap is $60 million in 2013-14, how are the Lightning ($57.5 million for 15 players), Philadelphia Flyers ($57M for 16) and Boston Bruins ($57M for 16, no goalies) among others going to make it work?
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The best perspective on the "Manhattan Meltdown" came from a relative of mine who regularly negotiates big deals. "They're too close not to get it done," he said. "They just hate each other so much, they're throwing their last haymakers."
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Technically the only team at a disadvantage is Winnipeg

Detroit would as well.

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"Look," he began, "the bottom line is, this is pretty simple: Our owners went in last week, tried to cut to the chase, threw their cards on table, said, 'We're willing to give xyz, but here's what we need: a, b and c."

"The union decided to come back and didn't hit any of a, b or c. They didn't hit on CBA term, the owners' term limits on contracts, or the variables. And they entirely punted the transition rules on buy-outs and escrow."

Is the PA really that clueless?
I'd wager that the PA end up getting a CBA with a longer than 5 year term limit on SPCs and a CBA shorter than 10 years with 8 year opt out when this deal is finally done.

If they do, would you still call them clueless?

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Does xyz stand for make whole? See the problem I have with all of this garbage going on is that the NHL says they gave them what they want, when actually they gave the PA part of what they want and complain that they didnt get everything else their way. The PA wanted 393 million, NHL says they will do 300. So by their own logic they arent giving the PA what it wants.
I would be pro owner if they gave the full make whole and the PA wouldnt budge on those other things, but the ffact is that they arent and still want full control of other things.
"We're willing to give you close to what you want on one issue as long as you agree to give us exactly what we want on 5 issues"

But some see it as the PA being unreasonable though.

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Few more players coming back.

@News1130Sports: Turris played 90 days in Finland - had fun but back to skating in Ottawa.
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I'd wager that the PA end up getting a CBA with a longer than 5 year term limit on SPCs and a CBA shorter than 10 years with 8 year opt out when this deal is finally done.

If they do, would you still call them clueless?
i bet they won't, because the players themselves want the 10 year term, they do not want to do this again. but fehrs thinking according to the last article that was in this thread, is that every generation should know what its like to go through a lockout (what a good guy he is)

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Few more players coming back.

@News1130Sports: Turris played 90 days in Finland - had fun but back to skating in Ottawa.
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Del zotto coming back too
Del Zotto has a minor back injury.

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But again, if they East and West aren't playing then what competitive advantage do they have over each other?



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Overhead projector?
Very good. Haven't seen one of those in years...

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In regards to a CBA length, players want 8 with year 6 opt out while owners want 10 with year 8 opt out, why not compromise and make it a hard 8 years? Would that not be the best solution considering 8 years is mutual in both situations ?

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I'd wager that the PA end up getting a CBA with a longer than 5 year term limit on SPCs and a CBA shorter than 10 years with 8 year opt out when this deal is finally done.

If they do, would you still call them clueless?
The only one that wants a shorter deal is Fehr and his excuse for it is stupid. If we go by his excuse, they should be negotiating a CBA after every season. The deal will be 10 years, because the players do not want to go through with this again in 6 or 7 years. If Fehr would've put 10 years in the PA's proposal, in my opinion it wouldn't have ended like it did last week.

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Very good. Haven't seen one of those in years...
Still doesn't answer the question that was asked before it.

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Still doesn't answer the question that was asked before it.
Over-head...as in Tuggy's point hes making is going over the head of some people.

Ive had too much coffee today.

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