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12-11-2012, 05:37 PM
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Rank the Staals and Sutters

In order of best to worst (prime):

Rich Sutter
Ron Sutter
Duane Sutter
Brent Sutter
Darryl Sutter
Brian Sutter
Eric Staal
Jordan Staal
Marc Staal
Jared Staal

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12-11-2012, 07:07 PM
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In order of best to worst (prime):

Rich Sutter
Ron Sutter
Duane Sutter
Brent Sutter
Darryl Sutter
Brian Sutter
Eric Staal
Jordan Staal
Marc Staal
Jared Staal
eric staal

(gap)

brent sutter
marc staal (projected)
brian sutter
jordan staal (but he has the potential to pass both sutters above him)

(gap)

duane sutter
darryl sutter
ron sutter

(big gap)

rich sutter

(huge gap)

gary sutter
jared staal


really hard to choose between darryl, duane, and ron. darryl easily peaked the highest, but had by far the shortest career of all six brothers. ron was probably also a better player than duane, plus he played forever, but how can you overlook duane's contribution to four cups and five straight finals? right place, right time, but still, he has a 20 point playoff run.

brent, brian, jordan, and marc are also very close in my mind. really, they could go in any order for me, especially factoring in that the staals may not yet have peaked (especially marc).

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12-11-2012, 07:58 PM
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Eric Staal is noticeably the highest

Brent Sutter


Darryl Sutter
Duane Sutter
Jordan Staal
Ron Sutter

Marc Staal

Rich Sutter


By the way, the member of the Sutter family with the luckiest shake in life..........Gary Sutter. Why? He won the lottery, literally.

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12-11-2012, 08:08 PM
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Ron > Duane. Selke finalist > grinder even if the grinder was a part of several Cup teams.

I have it

Eric Staal

Brian Sutter
Brent Sutter

Jordan Staal
Ron Sutter
Marc Staal

Duane Sutter

Darryl Sutter
Rich Sutter

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12-11-2012, 09:21 PM
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1 - Eric Staal
2 - Brent Sutter
3 - Marc Staal
4 - Brian Sutter
5 - Jordan Staal
6 - Ron Sutter
7 - Duane Sutter
8 - Darryl Sutter
9 - Rich Sutter
10 - Jared Staal

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12-11-2012, 09:28 PM
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I don't think it's fair for me to make this list since I didn't watch the Sutters, but how is Jordan Staal ranked higher than Marc? Just because of the Cup? Jordan is a #2 center at best, and Marc Staal is a top-pairing defenseman.

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Ron > Duane. Selke finalist > grinder even if the grinder was a part of several Cup teams.

I have it

Eric Staal

Brian Sutter
Brent Sutter

Jordan Staal
Ron Sutter
Marc Staal

Duane Sutter

Darryl Sutter
Rich Sutter
You have it exactly right.

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I don't think it's fair for me to make this list since I didn't watch the Sutters, but how is Jordan Staal ranked higher than Marc? Just because of the Cup? Jordan is a #2 center at best, and Marc Staal is a top-pairing defenseman.
I think it's reasonable to have Marc ahead of Jordan if you project their careers forward. I think based on what they already did, Jordan has had the more impressive career to date.

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You have it exactly right.
Helps that we had a long discussion on ranking the Sutters in the last ATD

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I think it's reasonable to have Marc ahead of Jordan if you project their careers forward. I think based on what they already did, Jordan has had the more impressive career to date.



Helps that we had a long discussion on ranking the Sutters in the last ATD
That discussion has entirely slipped my mind...I usually think of Brent being better than Brian, and would like to go back and check that out. Do you remember when that discussion took place (draft thread after they were both taken, playoff thread, assasination thread, etc.)?

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That discussion has entirely slipped my mind...I usually think of Brent being better than Brian, and would like to go back and check that out. Do you remember when that discussion took place (draft thread after they were both taken, playoff thread, assasination thread, etc.)?
It wasn't in the main draft, since one would have to be able to mention all the Sutters by name, that's for sure.

Don't remember exactly where.

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1) Eric Staal
2) Brent Sutter
3) Brian Sutter
4) Jordan Staal
5) Marc Staal

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I think it's reasonable to have Marc ahead of Jordan if you project their careers forward. I think based on what they already did, Jordan has had the more impressive career to date.



Helps that we had a long discussion on ranking the Sutters in the last ATD
i didn't see this either. but i'm curious to hear more.

re: the relative merits of duane, darryl, and ron, i'm really curious about darryl. of those three, i only really saw ron, and he was really good. but i don't remember him being selke-calibre (though i only saw him from the late 80s on). i remember poulin being the key defensive forward on those flyers teams.

darryl though, is interesting. i've read that he was the most talented of all the brothers, and that makes sense being that he put up 40 as a rookie (finishing ahead of teammate denis savard in calder voting), and had that big 12 goal playoff run (in 15 games). looking back at his career, i wonder whether he could have been the best of all the brothers if not for the injuries that plagued almost his entire career. but if that's the case, why was every other brother drafted in the top 20 while darryl wasn't taken until the 11th round?

also, the OP asks for prime, which is how i justify (hesitantly) putting darryl ahead of ron and duane. but i guess what i saw from ron, i just assumed was the way all the other brothers other than rich played. but maybe he did have a defensive acumen that darryl and duane (who i didn't see) didn't?

EDIT: and brent vs. brian, brent was selected to three canada cup teams.


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That discussion has entirely slipped my mind...I usually think of Brent being better than Brian, and would like to go back and check that out. Do you remember when that discussion took place (draft thread after they were both taken, playoff thread, assasination thread, etc.)?
Brian was definitely better than Brent IMO. The offensive edge isn't huge but once you put it into context it is. Brent was a very underwhelming offensive player except for the one season he got to play with Bossy.

the canada cups argument is an interesting one, though.

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i didn't see this either. but i'm curious to hear more.

re: the relative merits of duane, darryl, and ron, i'm really curious about darryl. of those three, i only really saw ron, and he was really good. but i don't remember him being selke-calibre (though i only saw him from the late 80s on). i remember poulin being the key defensive forward on those flyers teams.

darryl though, is interesting. i've read that he was the most talented of all the brothers, and that makes sense being that he put up 40 as a rookie (finishing ahead of teammate denis savard in calder voting), and had that big 12 goal playoff run (in 15 games). looking back at his career, i wonder whether he could have been the best of all the brothers if not for the injuries that plagued almost his entire career. but if that's the case, why was every other brother drafted in the top 20 while darryl wasn't taken until the 11th round?

also, the OP asks for prime, which is how i justify (hesitantly) putting darryl ahead of ron and duane. but i guess what i saw from ron, i just assumed was the way all the other brothers other than rich played. but maybe he did have a defensive acumen that darryl and duane (who i didn't see) didn't?

EDIT: and brent vs. brian, brent was selected to three canada cup teams.
I've done a lot of studying of all the sutters thanks to being in numerous ATDs, MLDs, AAA drafts that go down to pick #2000 and beyond. Here's where I'd put them:

offensive ability:

Brian

Brent

Darryl

Ron
Duane
Rich

defensive ability:

Ron
Brent

Brian
Duane
Rich


Darryl

physicality/toughness:

Brian

Brent/Duane/Rich

Ron


Darryl

longevity and durability to enhance the all-time value of the above:

Brent
Ron
Brian
Rich
Duane


Darryl

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can we throw in the Stastny's now?

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