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12-11-2012, 05:50 AM
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Young players who lack vision and hockey IQ

Being Swedish, I feel like we've had quite a few player with great physical skills come out the last few years, but that have lacked vision and hockey-IQ.

Examples: Hedman, Paajarvi and Zibanejad.

Agree, diasgree?

What other examples are there from other nations?

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12-11-2012, 06:00 AM
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Disagree on Hedman. In fact, I think the opposite is true of him (I don't watch the other two, so no commet on them).

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The game is so over coached from youth on out that I think a lot of players are like this now. The pace of hockey has gotten faster but its still kind of a dumbed down game from what it used to be.

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The game is so over coached from youth on out that I think a lot of players are like this now. The pace of hockey has gotten faster but its still kind of a dumbed down game from what it used to be.
I wouldn't say dumbed down so much as better coached. Coaching schemes are so specific and all-encompassing that a player with lower hockey sense can succeed now just based on doing what he is told, which has also taken a lot of the creativity out of the game.

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Theres no hockey IQ anymore for a majority of players.


They replaced that with discipline and systems. But i guess you could argue that hockey IQ is what separates the elite from everyone else

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I think he's got a hockey IQ, his problem is being half the size of Theo Fleury.

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Maybe Skinner, to certain extent?

Not that it is a major weakness but still.

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Being Swedish, I feel like we've had quite a few player with great physical skills come out the last few years, but that have lacked vision and hockey-IQ.

Examples: Hedman, Paajarvi and Zibanejad.

Agree, diasgree?

What other examples are there from other nations?
Weird, I feel like it's the other way around with many Finnish prospects.

For excample Granlund and Vatanen certainly have hockey-IQ but they lack size. Can we merge their hockey-IQ's with young Swedish players' physical attributes?

Luckily Barkov seems to be an exception though, he has both size and hockey-IQ.

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Matt Duchene is another guy with great tools but no tool box.

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Fully agree with Zibenejad.

Rundblad I disagree with, he has amazing vision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ttjQRKa3IA

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I agree with Zibanejad, he reminds me of a smaller and younger Mike Fisher. Hopefully he can actually amount to being as good as him, but I'm not confident about it

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I think he's got a hockey IQ, his problem is being half the size of Theo Fleury.
Terrible IQ, trust him

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How's Bogosian's IQ?

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12-11-2012, 12:38 PM
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How's Bogosian's IQ?
Not great. He's like Jovanovski was; a great athlete with excellent physical tools and a questionable hockey IQ.

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Duchene. Kid plays like he thinks he's Forsberg but can't quite stay on the puck or pass nearly half as well.

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Well that Russian kid, Filatov I think was his surname, clearly lacked the vision to see what it takes to become an NHLer

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Hedman the first named by Nordic, not surprised

I could agree that he lacks vision, but not hockey-IQ

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How's Bogosian's IQ?
Hockey IQ is great, and improving, but one look at his Twitter account and it's pretty obvious he plays up the dumb redneck thing to a fine 'T'.

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12-11-2012, 01:43 PM
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Agree on Pajaarvi. If he had good vision/hockey IQ, he'd probably be an allstar

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Agree on Pajaarvi. If he had good vision/hockey IQ, he'd probably be an allstar
..at the AHL level

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I wouldn't say dumbed down so much as better coached. Coaching schemes are so specific and all-encompassing that a player with lower hockey sense can succeed now just based on doing what he is told, which has also taken a lot of the creativity out of the game.
Systems come and go during the course of a game. Players who can't do anything other than follow X's and O's will likely not make the ideal play if the scenario isn't like he was taught, and given the dynamic and fluidity of hockey it happens often. Or when the other coach is adapting the system, a low IQ player will only adjust when his coach tells him to. Too late, a lot of times.

You can definitively tell over the course of a game who can see the ice better, make more complex decisions and have the ability to quickly translate judgement into action. As a Canuck fan, I can tell that David Booth has an amazing set of skills and physical attributes. But the one thing he lacks is a creative mind, and it shows. He doesn't do much other than drive to the net from his wing, always hit along a certain spot along the boards, successfully receive passes in the high slot and cycle the puck. If he isn't doing things at specific spots in certain circumstances, then he probably isn't going to do it well - e.g. fumble passes he didn't expect, shoot when there were better options but didn't notice, be in poor position when skating back to his own zone, etc.

You know, it's like that in the regular workplace too. With enough dedication, most people can work white collar jobs in marketing, finance, engineering, programming, etc. But some guys, even if their grades may be better or their results are good, will be less likely to get promotions or start their own business (successfully) simply because they don't "see" things quite well. Sure, they can be given a crapton of workload and they'll chew through that quickly but that's because they've been so conditioned to do that kind of job it doesn't really matter if they fundamentally understand it. But in say a managerial/leadership position, the scope of your job is is most likely so broad, so vague and dynamic that you often have to use your own discretion and imagination to get things done; there isn't a right answer to most things but you have to give one anyway.

That's why businesses, sports teams, governments, etc. are always looking for the mythical beast that is smart, creative and a leader. They'll need less training for less/better results, be able to suggest changes to the process to improve it and likely be the future leaders of the organization.

Wow, that was a lot longer than I expected.

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