There are questionable characters in every sport, not just the NFL.
Should Heatley have gotten a second chance?
Questioning them is fine.
However, telling someone not to cheer for someone who has paid his debt to society is ridiculous. If your on my team and make a play that helps win an important game you bet I'm cheering.
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There are questionable characters in every sport, not just the NFL.
Should Heatley have gotten a second chance?
There are questionable characters in every walk of life. In this country, in this society, (most) people do get second chances; we have a system that favors rehabilitation rather than retribution. We don't brand people or chop off hands.
Guys like Heatly and Stallworth have jobs that put them in the public eye, but if society gives plumbers second chances, athletes should get them as well.
However, telling someone not to cheer for someone who has paid his debt to society is ridiculous. If your on my team and make a play that helps win an important game you bet I'm cheering.
When you kill someone, your debt is never repaid. You may get second chances, but that never goes away, and it shouldn't.
I don't think it's problematic to cheer. You're cheering his on the field performance, which in this case, resulted in a score. It's a normal activity at a game.
But asking if someone is perfect because they are expressing that KILLING SOMEONE is one of those mistakes in life that you just don't make? That's a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?
However, telling someone not to cheer for someone who has paid his debt to society is ridiculous. If your on my team and make a play that helps win an important game you bet I'm cheering.
However, telling someone not to cheer for someone who has paid his debt to society is ridiculous. If your on my team and make a play that helps win an important game you bet I'm cheering.
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Originally Posted by CDJ
And I agree wholeheartedly.
Agree to disagree...but what if it was your father...or your neighbor and you had to see a girl raised without her father? Would you still cheer then?
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Agree to disagree...but what if it was your father...or your neighbor and you had to see a girl raised without her father? Would you still cheer then?
Cheer for Stallworth scoring a touchdown? Yeah. Cheer for him getting a second chance and making good by it? Probably.
The entire situation sucked and Stallworth absolutely deserved to be punished, but he did his time and he has been a model citizen since.
The victim's family has every right to be bitter, but I fortunately cannot relate to them and thus don't feel right speaking as if I was in their shoes. I can tell you this though- I'd be a tad less forgiving if I was in their shoes, multi-million dollar settlement or not.
When you kill someone, your debt is never repaid. You may get second chances, but that never goes away, and it shouldn't.
I don't think it's problematic to cheer. You're cheering his on the field performance, which in this case, resulted in a score. It's a normal activity at a game.
But asking if someone is perfect because they are expressing that KILLING SOMEONE is one of those mistakes in life that you just don't make? That's a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?
The fact that it was brought up is ridiculous. How is this relevant to him scoring a TD? Had this been a guy like Wes Welker we wouldn't have 3+ pages questioning one friggin play.
Do you really think he intended to kill the guy who was drunk himself and walking in the middle of the highway? No. It was a mistake that had dire consequences. He's done his time and has been a model citizen since then.
The fact that it was brought up is ridiculous. How is this relevant to him scoring a TD? Had this been a guy like Wes Welker we wouldn't have 3+ pages questioning one friggin play.
That was my fault. I genuinely wondered how the crowd reacted when he caught the TD.. it was a big TD, extending the lead to 4 tds....and it was heat of the moment..
That was my fault. I genuinely wondered how the crowd reacted when he caught the TD.. it was a big TD, extending the lead to 4 tds....and it was heat of the moment..
The crowd went absolutely crazy with excitement. I can guarantee you that the majority in attendance Monday night were thinking "how the hell did he catch that" and "we're going to beat the Texans."
The crowd went absolutely crazy with excitement. I can guarantee you that the majority in attendance Monday night were thinking "how the hell did he catch that" and "we're going to beat the Texans."
I don't think anyone should have been thinking anything different.
The conversation about his past is separate. We disagree.
The crowd went absolutely crazy with excitement. I can guarantee you that the majority in attendance Monday night were thinking "how the hell did he catch that" and "we're going to beat the Texans."
really? can't speak for anyone else but right at the moment of his stutter step I was wondering if he'd read any good books lately that he'd like to recommend.
The conversation shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Not sure why, but ok. It's a valid topic of conversation, and Lou explained why he asked. Not sure why you're taking such offense to it -- it's a part of the guy's past and it's a fair topic of conversation IMO. One that should be separate from his production as a football player, but one that's fair.
Same as the Joe Corvo thing was beaten to death (pun not intended, I swear) when he signed here. These guys don't live in boxes and just come out to play the game, and when you're in the spotlight your personal life follows you around. People are given a second chance, and they should be, but you still need to answer for your actions.
The conversation shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Sure it should have. No matter how badly you want to only discuss his on the field play, the fact that he drove under the influence and cost another human being his life will always be connected to him. Same thing for Heatley, Mactavish, Brent, Leonard Little, etc. Go to Yahoo and type in Craig Mac's name. You see what comes up first? Leonard Little too. Under Stallworth, it's the second thing that comes up.
I also agree with what Alycat is REALLY saying. We should not be made to feel guilty for enjoying watching an athlete play. I don't care if he's the scum of the earth, heck he probably is. I still loved watching that touchdown.
I also agree with what Alycat is REALLY saying. We should not be made to feel guilty for enjoying watching an athlete play no matter what that athlete may have done. It's why they were put on this earth.
Well you shouldn't feel guilty if you think the athlete has paid his debt to society, should you? If you don't feel he did, then yeah, you should kinda feel guilty for rooting him on IMO...
Well you shouldn't feel guilty if you think the athlete has paid his debt to society, should you? If you don't feel he did, then yeah, you should kinda feel guilty for rooting him on IMO...
Slight whiff of sophistry there. Almost let it slide, since it's minor and probably not really intentional, but I do feel I have to remark on it a bit. After all Alycat wouldn't have said a thing if she didn't feel just a bit "put on the spot" by all the judgmental Johnnys coming down on Stallworth.
After all, the board is a social experience. We should take some care of what we say and when we say it
Slight whiff of sophistry there. Almost let it slide, since it's minor and probably not really intentional, but I do feel I have to remark on it a bit. After all Alycat wouldn't have said a thing if she didn't feel just a bit "put on the spot" by all the judgmental Johnnys coming down on Stallworth.
Is this real life? Judgemental Johnny? HE. KILLED. SOMEONE.
If you're suggesting that you're supposed to just look past it because he's a Patriot, I find that to be ridiculous. You don't have to crucify the guy, actively root against him, or hurl slurs at him if you happen to see him somewhere...but to act like it's ridiculous that it's part of the conversation reeks of blind homerism.
I don't think it's out of line to cheer him if he makes a big play. I don't think cheering him on the field should be questioned. It's a football game and the dude scored. But to try to justify doing so by saying he's paid his debt to society and asking others who do think his past is problematic if they are perfect is just....well, stupid.
Slight whiff of sophistry there. Almost let it slide, since it's minor and probably not really intentional, but I do feel I have to remark on it a bit. After all Alycat wouldn't have said a thing if she didn't feel just a bit "put on the spot" by all the judgmental Johnnys coming down on Stallworth.
After all, the board is a social experience. We should take some care of what we say and when we say it
Slight whiff of sophistry there. Almost let it slide, since it's minor and probably not really intentional, but I do feel I have to remark on it a bit. After all Alycat wouldn't have said a thing if she didn't feel just a bit "put on the spot" by all the judgmental Johnnys coming down on Stallworth.
After all, the board is a social experience. We should take some care of what we say and when we say it
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Aly feels he has paid his dues and has no problem rooting for him... I have absolutely zero problem with that. I may feel different, but I know what type of person Aly is and I certainly respect her opinion.
As far as Stallworth, he's a murderer in my eyes. His idiocy cost somebody their life.. Simple as that. I personally think 25 days and restitution paid to the family is nowhere near enough, but who am I? I would not have cheered and quite honestly would have been kinda embarrassed he was wearing my teams uni...but again, just an opinion and it's no better or worse then anyone elses... I'm certainly not going to think of someone differently because they don't share it.
Aly feels he has paid his dues and has no problem rooting for him... I have absolutely zero problem with that. I may feel different, but I know what type of person Aly is and I certainly respect her opinion.
As far as Stallworth, he's a murderer in my eyes. His idiocy cost somebody their life.. Simple as that. I personally think 25 days and restitution paid to the family is nowhere near enough, but who am I? I would not have cheered and quite honestly would have been kinda embarrassed he was wearing my teams uni...but again, just an opinion and it's no better or worse then anyone elses... I'm certainly not going to think of someone differently because they don't share it.
For the "he paid his debt" crowd, how would you feel if he was a wife beater, or a pedophile? Same concept, right? Should have no problem rooting for him since he reps the same laundry you support, right? Just something to consider.
