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08-26-2013, 10:10 AM
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Undrafted Viktor Arvidsson has been elected to play for team Sweden in Czech Hockey Games

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08-27-2013, 05:14 AM
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Undrafted Viktor Arvidsson has been elected to play for team Sweden in Czech Hockey Games
From yesterdays game
Arvidsson goal (Norran.se)

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08-27-2013, 05:55 AM
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he reminds you of one of, what, 5 black players in NHLs history? Really? you just went there?
Wasn't there 5 black players on Atlanta alone at one point?
(Off the top of my head Kane, Byfuglien, Stewart, Oduya, Dawes)

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08-27-2013, 08:28 AM
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From yesterdays game
Arvidsson goal (Norran.se)
Beautiful, I simply can't understand that no one have drafted him.

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08-27-2013, 10:04 AM
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Beautiful, I simply can't understand that no one have drafted him.
Because NHL scouts are still obsessed with size.

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08-29-2013, 01:51 AM
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Undrafted Viktor Arvidsson has been elected to play for team Sweden in Czech Hockey Games
Amazing that he isnt drafted. NHL teams drafts average prospects from Sweden from left to right and misses out on him.

I going to root for him. Show 'em!

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08-29-2013, 05:21 AM
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Amazing that he isnt drafted. NHL teams drafts average prospects from Sweden from left to right and misses out on him.

I going to root for him. Show 'em!
For what it's worth, it seems that a few of the smaller, more dynamic Europeans have been passed over in recent NHL drafts even though a number of the same type of North Americans (usually some headed to the NCAA) have still been taken.

Without knowing for certain, I think this can attributed almost solely to the fact that a team must make a contract offer within two years of drafting a European (as has long been the case with kids taken from Canadian Juniors, etc.) - which wasn't the case for a very, very long time - and thus have simply felt that the chances of them actually signing and bringing over smaller player XXX are so very unlikely, that they'd rather use their actual draft picks on other assets that they, at the moment, have more belief in as viable NHL assets OR have more control over for a longer period of time (as is the case with the NCAA guys).

Where does that leave a kid like Arvidsson who, size aside, certainly possesses the skating and skills to measure himself favorably against just about any and every player taken this past summer as of the 3rd round of the draft, if not higher?

Simple. All NHL teams will continue to watch his SHL progress this and next season and then some team will look to sign him as a UFA along the way if his progress continues as expected.

In short, teams seem to be thinking it's not worth drafting smaller Europeans playing in Europe when they can get the kids closer to home and then just take a wait-and-see approach with these foreign players.

All this said, I gotta wonder if Arvidsson will experience anything different at any point than Zuccarello or Omark (who admittedly was drafted in 2007) did?


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08-29-2013, 06:07 AM
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Beautiful, I simply can't understand that no one have drafted him.
Because he would never be able to pull it off in the NHL?

He shows great hustle and compete level, and he seems like one of the most charismatic young players in Sweden, I player any team would love to have on the roster. But I can see why NHL teams are reluctant, because at that size and strength, his game will not translate well to the next level.

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08-29-2013, 06:08 AM
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Hmm. Wouldnt suprise me if the NHL people compare him with Omark, but not even Omark have the spark of Arvidsson I think. Arvidsson is a feisty "little" *******. Easy to like.

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08-29-2013, 06:10 AM
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Because he would never be able to pull it off in the NHL?

He shows great hustle and compete level, and he seems like one of the most charismatic young players in Sweden, I player any team would love to have on the roster. But I can see why NHL teams are reluctant, because at that size and strength, his game will not translate well to the next level.
Speed and hustle is just as important as size. There actually are some players under 6'2 that excell in the NHL. And why not through a low pick at him and block him from FA?


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08-29-2013, 06:24 AM
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Speed and hustle is just as important as size. There actually is some players under 6'2 that excell in the NHL. And why not through a low pick at him and block him from FA?
Exactly my thought. So many players that have proved nothing gets drafted but Arvidsson who have excelled at every level doesn't even get a 6th or 7th pick.

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08-29-2013, 06:25 AM
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The whole draft ordeal doesn't seem to have fazed him.
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What does it mean to not get drafted?
"- Oh, nothing, I hope. Petter [Emanuelsson, young teammate in Skellefteå] was not drafted either and now he has signed an NHL contract."

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08-29-2013, 12:00 PM
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Adrian Kempe and Dmytro Timashov will play with the big guys tomorrow. Their first game with Modos mens team this pre-season. The competition isn't the best though, Sundsvall in division 1. (tier below Allsvenskan)

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Speed and hustle is just as important as size. There actually are some players under 6'2 that excell in the NHL. And why not through a low pick at him and block him from FA?
Sure, but there is a big difference between 6'0" and 5'9". Look at Tedenby, somewhat similar to Arvidsson but better on his skate and much higher skill set. He's having major trouble establishing himself in the NHL. And as I said, teams probably don't think that Arvidsson's game will transfer well to the NHL. Look at Andreas Johnson for example, his resume isn't even a fifth of Arvidsson's, but he got drafted because Toronto likely think his game could transfer to the NHL.

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08-30-2013, 01:37 AM
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Sure, but there is a big difference between 6'0" and 5'9". Look at Tedenby, somewhat similar to Arvidsson but better on his skate and much higher skill set. He's having major trouble establishing himself in the NHL. And as I said, teams probably don't think that Arvidsson's game will transfer well to the NHL. Look at Andreas Johnson for example, his resume isn't even a fifth of Arvidsson's, but he got drafted because Toronto likely think his game could transfer to the NHL.
Maybe so.

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08-30-2013, 08:57 AM
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Adrian Kempe and Dmytro Timashov will play with the big guys tomorrow. Their first game with Modos mens team this pre-season. The competition isn't the best though, Sundsvall in division 1. (tier below Allsvenskan)
Timashov is clearly a work in progress. He has lots of time though. Not the biggest or fastest guy, but has good hockey sense.

But Kempe, that kid can be a real stud. I'm very curious to see what particularly he and Anton Karlsson will do this winter. Both have some great power forward traits.


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08-30-2013, 09:45 AM
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I'm a bit worried that the top Swedish guys in next years draft won't see much ice time with their senior teams. Pastrnak and Nylander will likely play big roles next season on their teams, Vrana will also get decent amount of ice time. I'd be very surprised to see Karlsson, Lindblom or Kempe play more than 5 games with their teams. Karlsson will have to outplay 5 or 6 older guys that could play in the WJC this winter. Brynäs likes to keep their promising players in J20 an extra year and Modo is very deep with young forwards.

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08-30-2013, 10:41 AM
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Timashov is clearly a work in progress. He has lots of time though. Not the biggest or fastest guy, but has good hockey sense.

But Kempe, that kid can be a real stud. I'm very curious to see what particularly he and Anton Karlsson will do this winter. Both have some great power forward traits.
Timashovs hands is imo one of the best if not the very best of the 96-borned Swedes, and as you said his hockey sense is good, but also his vision and passing is great. He played better than Kempe in the first period and assisted to two goals out of three.

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I'm a bit worried that the top Swedish guys in next years draft won't see much ice time with their senior teams. Pastrnak and Nylander will likely play big roles next season on their teams, Vrana will also get decent amount of ice time. I'd be very surprised to see Karlsson, Lindblom or Kempe play more than 5 games with their teams. Karlsson will have to outplay 5 or 6 older guys that could play in the WJC this winter. Brynäs likes to keep their promising players in J20 an extra year and Modo is very deep with young forwards.
Well players like Karlsson Kempe, Lindblom havn't even dominated the J20 circuit so it would be best to have them at that level leading their teams anyways.

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08-30-2013, 03:02 PM
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U20: SWE-RUS 2-1 (ot)

U17: SWE-FIN 4-1

U17 game 2: SWE-FIN 6-4


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Well players like Karlsson Kempe, Lindblom havn't even dominated the J20 circuit so it would be best to have them at that level leading their teams anyways.
Yeah, but I don't really see any of those guys being called up after 25 games and stay up for the rest of the season. Their chances to do that would be better on other teams, but of course they have to prove themselves in J20 first.

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Hows collberg doing, did he play

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Modo coach Anders Forsberg says Dmytro Timashov is fighting for a spot with the A-team. He also thinks he can make it and play at the SHL-level. Not surprised though, Timashov has been really good and produced 4 points on the 2 latest games, against Sundsvall and Leksand. Looks like he's the first player that will be called up from J20 when they need a forward. Impressive for a 16-year-old.

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Anders Forsberg is a beaut.

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