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View Poll Results: Is Bergeron a top 25 player in the nhl?
Hell yes 96 51.06%
Yes 45 23.94%
Hell no 7 3.72%
No 33 17.55%
Not sure 7 3.72%
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06-18-2013, 09:07 AM
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Some people want to build a fantasy team, others want to win the Stanley Cup.
yup but the B's prove over and over that building a team of this type of player win's over pure skill/star power.

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06-18-2013, 09:34 AM
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Seems to me that Bergy is not only underrated around the league...he's also underrated amongst his own fans.

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06-18-2013, 09:36 AM
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I say yes, succeeding in the NHL for years barring any type of injury requires a well rounded skillset.

Bergeron is one of the most "complete" players in the NHL, team player, excellent centerman, high hockey IQ, defensively sound, leader....I could go on & on....

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06-18-2013, 09:37 AM
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Some people want to build a fantasy team, others want to win the Stanley Cup.
But building a fantasy team will win you the coveted GM of the Year Award. Much better than a Cup.


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06-18-2013, 09:41 AM
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06-18-2013, 10:34 AM
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Wait, where are all the "take off the black and gold glasses, yah homah!" posters? I am dissapoint.

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06-18-2013, 11:18 AM
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Some people want to build a fantasy team, others want to win the Stanley Cup.
Agree, and Hell Yes.

Seems like there are a lot of golfers on the original list.

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06-18-2013, 11:21 AM
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Earlier in this thread, I think I placed Bergy just outside the top 25...not sure what I was thinking. He is a top 25 player, and he has proven it this year, especially during this post-season. He has gone up against some of the "elite" players in this league, shut them down in series. He has also performed offensively and scored some clutch goals.

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06-18-2013, 11:26 AM
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Nope, not close to the top 25.
But do you still think the same of him or is he starting to earn some respect from you? That's what I want to know. Still trading him for a few pucks?

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06-18-2013, 11:37 AM
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Ask Steve Yzerman and his Olympic gold medal...

As a Bruin fan I think Bergeron looked out of place on that team and a lot of fans and media saw it the same way. But if health permits I bet he is back in Sochi again next year and that speaks volumes for how he is perceived among NHL executives

That said I don't think he cracks the top 25. Still an elite player though...
Bergeron got hurt in the first game of the Olympics and since Olympic rules prevented a replacement player from being called up he played hurt.

Bergeron will make Team Canada in Sochi if he's healthy.

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06-18-2013, 11:41 AM
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Bergeron got hurt in the first game of the Olympics and since Olympic rules prevented a replacement player from being called up he played hurt.

Do you honestly think that Bergeron won't make Team Canada in Sochi if he's healthy?
Seriously, besides Crosby and Stamkos, I bet Yzerman names Bergeron right away behind those 2

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06-18-2013, 12:03 PM
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If hockey was track and field, Bergeron would be a decathlete. He's not going to wow you with speed or goal scoring or feats of strength. But he'd be a champion at the end of 2 days and 10 events.
This is a good analogy for Bergeron.

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06-18-2013, 12:22 PM
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Seriously, besides Crosby and Stamkos, I bet Yzerman names Bergeron right away behind those 2
yeap and milan is 4th. the way these two control a game is incredible

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06-18-2013, 12:33 PM
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I wonder where Bergeron would have gone in the draft if scouts knew what we know now.

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06-18-2013, 12:43 PM
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I wonder where Bergeron would have gone in the draft if scouts knew what we know now.
Probably ahead of Mark Stuart

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06-18-2013, 12:49 PM
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I wonder where Bergeron would have gone in the draft if scouts knew what we know now.
With 20/20 hindsight, and from the perspective of the ultimate pessimist/Bruins hater i think the absolute latest he would go, in one of the best drafts ever would be 12th. I bolded anyone i could see having even the weakest arguement for going ahead of Bergy.

Personally i don't see a name on there that i would absolutely take ahead of him.

1 M.A. Fleury
2 Eric Staal
3 Nathan Horton
4 Nikolai Zherdev
5 Thomas Vanek
6 Milan Michalek
7 Ryan Suter
8 Braydon Coburn
9 Dion Phaneuf
10 Andrei Kostitsyn
11 Jeff Carter
12 Hugh Jessiman
13 Dustin Brown
14 Brent Seabrook
15 Robert Nilsson
16 Steve Bernier
17 Zach Parise
18 Eric Fehr
19 Ryan Getzlaf
20 Brent Burns
21 Mark Stuart
22 M.A. Pouliot
23 Ryan Kesler
24 Mike Richards
25 Anthony Stewart
26 Brian Boyle
27 Jeff Tambellini
28 Corey Perry
29 Patrick Eaves
30 Shawn Belle

31 Danny Richmond
32 Ryan Stone
33 Loui Eriksson
34 Mike Egener
35 Konstantin Glazachev
36 Vojtech Polak
37 Kevin Klein
38 Kamil Kreps
39 Tim Ramholt
40 Cory Urquhart
41 Matt Smaby
42 Petr Vrana
43 Josh Hennessy
44 Konstantin Pushkarev
45 PATRICE BERGERON
49 Shea Weber
62 David Backes
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06-18-2013, 12:50 PM
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The best thing that came out of that thread was when it made me dig up an old poll from a few years ago where one of the Leaf posters was absolutely convinced that Matt Stajan was better than Bergeron. The poll itself is lopsided but the lengths this guy went to " prove " Stajan was the superior player is good for a few chuckles.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ht=matt+stajan
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I wonder where Bergeron would have gone in the draft if scouts knew what we know now.
Looking back at that draft,he'd go 1-5 and Krejci would probably go 3rd the next year.

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With 20/20 hindsight, and from the perspective of the ultimate pessimist/Bruins hater i think the absolute latest he would go, in one of the best drafts ever would be 12th. I bolded anyone i could see having even the weakest arguement for going ahead of Bergy.

Personally i don't see a name on there that i would absolutely take ahead of him.

1 M.A. Fleury
2 Eric Staal
3 Nathan Horton
4 Nikolai Zherdev
5 Thomas Vanek
6 Milan Michalek
7 Ryan Suter
8 Braydon Coburn
9 Dion Phaneuf
10 Andrei Kostitsyn
11 Jeff Carter
12 Hugh Jessiman
13 Dustin Brown
14 Brent Seabrook
15 Robert Nilsson
16 Steve Bernier
17 Zach Parise
18 Eric Fehr
19 Ryan Getzlaf
20 Brent Burns
21 Mark Stuart
22 M.A. Pouliot
23 Ryan Kesler
24 Mike Richards
25 Anthony Stewart
26 Brian Boyle
27 Jeff Tambellini
28 Corey Perry
29 Patrick Eaves
30 Shawn Belle

31 Danny Richmond
32 Ryan Stone
33 Loui Eriksson
34 Mike Egener
35 Konstantin Glazachev
36 Vojtech Polak
37 Kevin Klein
38 Kamil Kreps
39 Tim Ramholt
40 Cory Urquhart
41 Matt Smaby
42 Petr Vrana
43 Josh Hennessy
44 Konstantin Pushkarev
45 PATRICE BERGERON
49 Shea Weber
62 David Backes
205 Joe Pavelski
245 Dustin Byfuglien
How many of those players would a savvy GM trade him straight up for today?

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06-18-2013, 01:04 PM
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Nope, not close to the top 25.
what a shock

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I don't think he is.

Off the top of my head I think all of the following are ahead of him:

Crosby
Ovechkin
Chara
Thomas
Weber
Lundqvist
Stamkos
Toews
Malkin
Kane
Perry
E. Staal
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Kopitar
Parise
Gaborik
Tavares
Giroux
Kovalchuk
H. Sedin
D. Sedin
St. Louis
Spezza
Quick
Pietrangelo
Backstrom
Benn
Hossa
Sharp

That is 30 players, and the only one I was hesitant to put ahead of Bergeron was Spezza.
Off this list, he is better than Thomas, Toews, Kane, E. Staal, Kopitar, Gaborik, both Sedins, St Louis, Spezza, Pietrangelo, Backstrom, Benn, Hossa and Sharp. I asked myself, if the Bruins traded Bergeron for any of these players, would they be better, absolutely NOT!!!!

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Ask Steve Yzerman and his Olympic gold medal...

As a Bruin fan I think Bergeron looked out of place on that team and a lot of fans and media saw it the same way. But if health permits I bet he is back in Sochi again next year and that speaks volumes for how he is perceived among NHL executives

That said I don't think he cracks the top 25. Still an elite player though...
He was playing with a pulled groin, Babcock even said so, he was still on the team, a team of 23 players. If you have ever had a pulled groin you know how difficult it is to walk, let alone play hockey against the best in the world.

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06-18-2013, 01:35 PM
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TSN ranked Bergeron as the 35th best NHL player before the season began and he has easily moved up that list, so 25th is just about right, he is probably somwhere between 25-30.

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Of course he's top 25 in the NHL if you are looking at complete players. Hockey is a team sport and so much of what makes a player good is who he plays with. The thing about Bergy that is so valuable is his versatility. He can get goals/pts when you need them, play solid defense when you need it, dominate the faceoff circle, kill penalties, play against other teams top players, and on and on. Many of the players that some folks would list as being better than Bergy are one and two-trick ponies. If those players are not on a team that utilizes them properly then they look mediocre because they are not versatile. You put a healthy Bergy in almost any situation and team and he's going to find a way to make an impact. There are not too many players in the NHL with Bergy's versatility at the level he's at. And I'm not even going into the intangible stuff, which matters a lot in a league with this much parity.
Point on. He's the complete package.

He may not be a top 25 sniper, top 25 defenseman, or even a top 25 forward (based solely on talent).
But if you look at him as a complete player, he's one one of the most well rounded players in the game.

If you could take one player and clone him into 20, then give them a goaltender, I would argue a team of 20 Bergerons would be an elite team. There are players that have more elite talent at a particular facet of the game. But I'd argue none as complete. When you factor in guys like Ovi taking plays off or not playing any D, a team of Bergeron's would pound a team of 20 Ovi's.

I realize it's a different way of looking at it. But can anyone name a player they would rather clone 20 times to make a team? This is what I am going by when I say I think he's a top 25 player. Everyone has there own definition of what makes a top 25 list. Completeness is right at the top of my list.

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Didn't realize until I started reading the thread that is was top 25 in the league and not forwards. The answer is no on that one. Top 25 forward for sure though

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