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2016 NHL draft: Class is a mixed bag - Redline Report

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03-16-2016, 09:00 PM
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2016 NHL draft: Class is a mixed bag - Redline Report

This article caught the eye written on Feb 21, 2016. Very Interesting.

Kyle Woodlief of the fine draft service the Redline Report in his USA Today column recently wrote.

"This year’s NHL draft depth is bad.".

To be clear, He loves the top 2 picks, he likes the top 10, but according to him. There is a major drop off at 25, and an even bigger drop off at pick 45. Which could explain why so many teams were ready to trade their 2nd rd and 3rd picks this year. Here is the excerpt.

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Okay, let’s get right down to brass tacks: This year’s NHL draft depth is bad.

There, we said it. Don’t get us wrong — we love the grouping in the top 10; even the next dozen or so down to No. 22 on Red Line Report's list list offer considerable promise.

But there’s a steep decline in talent in the mid-20s, and then things drop off a cliff around the middle of the second round.
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We are struck by the comparison of the players we had ranked in the 20s through the mid-40s in 2015 to now. It's not pretty Once you get past the mid-20s in 2016, there are a lot of warts and no sure bets.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...epth/80668094/

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03-16-2016, 09:22 PM
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Yikes. - Yet those bets are never safe ones after the first few players, not to mention the 2nd rounders. It's a crap shoot anyways,so one shouldn't read too much to these claims.

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I always saw the top of the 2016 draft as a very good one. But definitely did not get the feel that you could find a Barzal, Connor, White or Konecny in the 2nd half of the first rd in this year's draft. Or a late gem as in Vince Dunn at #56.

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They're right. The depth in this draft is terrible.

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Agreed. I see 25ish players that are very interesting and after that it's projects and a lot of very average prospects but as always some of them will end up good. Now try to find them.

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Though I'm not a huge RLR guy, I agree to a point here.

I'd suggest maybe the second half of the second isn't quite as bad as people think, but the likelihood of drafting impact players may not be as likely.

Thing about RLR I find is that they focus heavily on North American players. If you have a solid team of European scouts, you can unearth some gems.

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How is Bean so high? Makes you wonder a bit about the rankings.

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I feel like only a year ago the exact same thing was being said about the 2015 draft, with claims being made that 2016 was the deep draft. I don't think the draft depth is "bad", I'd say it's more like "average" and people just have the benefit of hindsight when comparing it to a really deep draft like 2013, where there were 1st round quality talents down into the 50's range (like Madison Bowey).

2013 and other drafts like it are the exception, rather than the rule. Like every draft, there will be late-round gems in 2016. Someone mentioned Barzal; my guess is Logan Brown or Tyler Benson will be that player in this draft, someone who goes in the 15-20 range and has a monster D+1 season to show everyone they are actually a top prospect.

And if we are considering the likelihood of highly talented players who could fall due to NHL teams being overly concerned about something like how tall a player is, this draft has that in spades. Keller, Debrincat, Abramov, Girard, Krys (and those are just the guys I think should be 1st rounders), Bitten, Mascherin, Fortier, Makeyev, etc.

Then there are the players like Sokolov who are getting punished for a bad draft year and concerns about their ability to translate their game to a higher level.

This draft has a LOT of talent just like every other one does, and any GM who trades out to sleep on it on the premise that it's weak will regret it down the line unless they win the Cup this year as a result of trading away all their picks.


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It is hard to take Red-Line seriously when they have Alexander Nylander at 10th. If you are the team picking 10th and Nylander is there, you run to the podium really, really fast.

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I've said this since the start of the year pretty much. Really underwhelming depth in this draft class. I don't think you'll see many impact NHL players outside the 1st round (compared to other years, that is). Even the players ranked in the back of the 1st round are of pretty bad quality. I guess maybe we're spoiled after the two great drafts we just had.

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I really like the 1st round but it's hard to disagree with it being light afterwards. Kinda sucks since we have about a million 3rd rounders (too bad it's not 2013 again), but alas.

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I really like the 1st round but it's hard to disagree with it being light afterwards. Kinda sucks since we have about a million 3rd rounders (too bad it's not 2013 again), but alas.
I honestly think the drop off is as of 40 or so. A few guys ranked in the late first/early second round such as Bitten, Asplund, Hajek, Clague and Dineen are intriguing prospects in their own right.

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Reads like that for sure but the 1st round has plenty of talent.

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It is hard to take Red-Line seriously when they have Alexander Nylander at 10th. If you are the team picking 10th and Nylander is there, you run to the podium really, really fast.
I like 10 players more than Nylander in this draft. So if I'm at 11 I hope you're right.

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This seems to be a lackluster year for the CHL's depth, but I really like some of the players that Canadian Junior A has to offer. There are some great players in Russia as well.

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It is hard to take Red-Line seriously when they have Alexander Nylander at 10th. If you are the team picking 10th and Nylander is there, you run to the podium really, really fast.
I like Nylander and had him around 6 post WJC, but he hasn't been great since (hasn't scored in a month). While I probably would take him in the top 10 still, granted there is no chance I take Bean over him and Fabbro is also a bit questionable in the top 10. Of guys not listed I'd prefer Keller or Juolevi. Also thought Jost was the more valued player on Penticton.

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I like Nylander and had him around 6 post WJC, but he hasn't been great since (hasn't scored in a month). While I probably would take him in the top 10 still, granted there is no chance I take Bean over him and Fabbro is also a bit questionable in the top 10. Of guys not listed I'd prefer Keller or Juolevi. Also thought Jost was the more valued player on Penticton.
Keller and Juolevi are who I like more too. I think Keller really has something and his existence as a fringe top 10 made me stop worrying too much about where our pick ends up.

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Everytime somebody says before a draft that there's a major drop off at pick x you can be sure a perennial allstar will be drafted within the next few picks after that.

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I definitely see a drop off in the 2nd half of the first rd. The 2nd rd is somewhat a mishmash of hit and misses.

The top 10 is very good though. This is a draft you want to be picking in the top 10 IMO.

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Think Redline might be right but they definitely like to over exaggerate whatever they talk about to get more hits. Don't find them the most trustworthy when it comes to prospects.

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Think Redline might be right but they definitely like to over exaggerate whatever they talk about to get more hits. Don't find them the most trustworthy when it comes to prospects.
I think they're okay. They were pretty much the only guys who had Guryanov ranked high (around top10) last year when everyone else had him in the 20's or even later than that. Being different is a good thing IMO.

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Red Line always like little guys more than the consensus, so it is interesting that in their rankings smaller players like Abramov (16th) and DeBrincat (17th) are higher than some might expect.

Was also surprised to see both of these guys ahead of Rubtsov.

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Totally agree. This has been said about this draft all year.

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So, the 1st round is expected to be generally good, but near the end there's a drop off and edging close to the end of the 2nd, it's a drop off from what anyone can tell.

Honestly sounds like every other draft.

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So, the 1st round is expected to be generally good, but near the end there's a drop off and edging close to the end of the 2nd, it's a drop off from what anyone can tell.

Honestly sounds like every other draft.
No, not really.

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