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12-12-2012, 06:21 PM
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What's a defensive forward?

According to your definition, what is a defensive forward?

Is Datsyuk a defensive forward for example? Or is he just a forward really good at defense?

There are some forwards considered better than Datsyuk defensively but not on his level offensively. The defense they provide doesn't make up for the offensive edge Datsyuk has over them. Still, are they better ''defensive forwards'' than Datsyuk?

Or is a defensive forward a player mediocre on offense who makes up for that with great defensive play? I think we all have our definition, I'd like to hear them out.

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12-12-2012, 06:26 PM
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A forward who can't score goals but is a grinder so he's labelled 'defensive forward' by HF and then ranked above every top 6 player who knows how to put up points.

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A forward who's primary job is shutting down the opposition. I'm thinking Manny Malhotra, Domenic Moore.

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12-12-2012, 08:01 PM
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A forward who's conservative, plays defense more than he tries to create offense. Jere Lethinen was the first player I remember, so he's the prototype for me.

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A forward that's good enough to play in the NHL, but not good enough to put up points.

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Danny Paille is a great example. He will chest snipe every breakaway, but he is one of the best PKers on the Bruins.

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I'd say players like Datsyuk, Bergeron, Pavelski, etc are TWF instead of defensive-forward.

A defensive forward would be like Malhotra, Goc, and Bolland.

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A player with below-average offensive skills and limited point production, but above-average defensive awareness.

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A forward that plays defense.

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A player whose primary purpose is to stifle/prevent the other team's offensive plays or play in disadvantaged situations (4 on 5, 3 on 5, etc)

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A forward who's defensive capabilities are more valuable than his offensive capabilities.

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12-12-2012, 09:25 PM
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A player who isn't good enough to score.

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12-12-2012, 11:24 PM
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Jere Lehtinen.

imo him and Dats are the two best defensive forwards I've ever seen play the game.

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12-12-2012, 11:25 PM
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It's really just a matter of wording and how one perceives it..

"Who are the best defensive forwards in the NHL?"

For me personally, I'm going to answer that with names like Datsyuk, Koivu, Hanzal, Zetterberg, Kesler, Bergeron, Sutter, etc.

As you can see, my lists includes players of varying offensive games. When I'm posed that question I simply think of which forwards I consider the best defensively: Which forwards I'd want on the ice to match up against a top player or top line, or out on the ice at the end of the game to hold onto a lead, or to kill a huge penalty.

Obviously at the end of the day guys like Datsyuk who are also good to great offensively won't be known as just defensive forwards. But they are still defensive forwards. They just happen to produce at both ends of the ice. 2-way forwards. But not all 2-way forwards are equal defensively. Hossa is a 2-way forward, but I wouldn't put him in this conversation from a pure defensive standpoint.

Meanwhile, guys who are only good defensively and play a checking line role, there also defensive forwards. They just typically only excel in defensive situations. Defensive specialists.

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12-12-2012, 11:53 PM
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Jere Lehtinen.

imo him and Dats are the two best defensive forwards I've ever seen play the game.
You never saw Sergei Fedorov or Guy Carbonneau?

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12-13-2012, 01:31 AM
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A player with below-average offensive skills and limited point production, but above-average defensive awareness.
I think this is a good way to put it. Although I considered Lehtinen as a defensive forward but he was still able to put up a few goals on the way.

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12-13-2012, 01:35 AM
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You never saw Sergei Fedorov or Guy Carbonneau?
I think Fedorov often goes un-noticed in defensive forward discussion, mainly due to the fact that he was able to net 100+ points too. But he definitely was great defensive player too.

But from defensive standpoint I think Lehtinen was even better.

Carbonneau is a bit of a mystery to me. I never really saw Carbonneau play a lot. But if I would have to pick him or Lehtinen I would go with Lehtinen with quite ease.

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For me its Madden and Pandolfo in their prime. Thats the kind of players I think of.

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It's really sad, but in reality there are two definitions to defensive forward:

1) The true definition: a player who has many skills like skating, positioning, angling, IQ, etc that allows them to efficiently reduce opportunities for the other team to score, but doesn't have the skills (in a strong enough capacity) needed to be offensively dangerous at the NHL level.
WPG examples: Hainsey, Burmistrov (currently)

2) The other definition (or misnomer): either a truculent, grinder or good-enough-to-play-in-the-NHL-but-below-average-player who is given defensive duties due to wanting to give the offensive duties to those better suited.
WPG examples: Glass, Slater, Thorburn, Stuart

Both don't have offensive capabilities; the difference is one is efficiently capable of being defensive and the other is just used there due to lack of better options.

Two-way guys are those who are efficient in both being offensively dangerous and reducing other teams opportunities to score. I do not consider two-way players as defensive players in nomenclature.

ps. these "truculent" or "grinder" role-players due have their uses, just are quite often called defensive as a misnomer.


EDIT: oops put defensemen in the examples with forwards... oh well


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isnt there a trophy for those players?

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A player with below-average offensive skills and limited point production, but above-average defensive awareness.
Exactly! I'd say any more than ~30 points and they're not really a "defensive" forward

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