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12-13-2012, 03:20 PM
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Scheifele-RNH-Rattie - Top scoring line
Huberdeau-Mackinnon-Drouin - Chemistry, elite skill
Ritchie-Strome-Jenner - Niagara chemistry, Jenner+Ritchie bring physicality
Hudon-Danault-McNeill - Checking line
Shinkaruk


Rielly-Hamilton - Top D Pair
Harrington-Ouellet - Shut down
Reinhart - Corrado
Murphy

Subban
Paterson

These were my predictions before the third game. Since I missed most of it, would you switch any guys around?
Well you seem to disregard what side each player plays on, but here is how I would have it:

Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
McKinnon-Strome-Rattie
Hudon-Jenner-Ritchie
Camara-Danault-McNeil
Drouin

Reilly-Hamilton
Harrington-Ouellet (two lefties?)
Reinhart-Corrado
Murphy

Subban
Paterson
Brossoit

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CALGARY - Hunter Shinkaruk and Ty Rattie scored for Canada's junior team in a 2-0 win over a team of university players at selection camp Thursday.

http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/story/?id=411597

Uhhhhh, I think it was Camara and Rattie.

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"Was that Ritchie or Patrik Stefan?"

"Ritchie was the one who missed."

Funniest post in the thread.
This. Woosh.

This is what happens when your fingers are faster than your brain.

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CALGARY - Hunter Shinkaruk and Ty Rattie scored for Canada's junior team in a 2-0 win over a team of university players at selection camp Thursday.

http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/story/?id=411597

Uhhhhh, I think it was Camara and Rattie.
I noticed that during a TSN update they said Shinkaruk scored

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12-13-2012, 03:22 PM
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In the first thread I made this comment & then was called out for doing so.

By the way a lot of the mock up lists are playing out I'm guessing the bold did happen.

I'm guessing you're glad you didn't bet against it now aren't you dnicks17
Really didn't expect Dumba to be this bad(I couldn't watch the streams, just going by what people have said). Even if Dumba had an average camp, I'm sure he would have been on the team, but he bombed it.

Good on Corrado.

Probably comes down to the coach's preference for him or Murphy at the #3 right D spot.

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12-13-2012, 03:23 PM
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what exactly is wrong with what he said?
Dumba didn't outplay Murphy. Hell, Dumba didn't outplay anyone at this camp. For whatever reason he just couldn't do anything right this year — shocking after how well he has shown for HC in the past.

Still, he'll move on and come back stronger next year.

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12-13-2012, 03:24 PM
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Well you seem to disregard what side each player plays on, but here is how I would have it:

Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
McKinnon-Strome-Rattie
Hudon-Jenner-Ritchie
Camara-Danault-McNeil
Drouin

Reilly-Hamilton
Harrington-Ouellet (two lefties?)
Reinhart-Corrado
Murphy

Subban
Paterson
Brossoit
Looks familiar:

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I'm still going my same roster from a bit earlier:
Huberdeau - RNH - Scheifele
MacKinnon - Strome - Ritchie
Hudon - Jenner - Rattie
Camara - Danault - McNeill
Drouin

Rielly - Hamilton
Ouellet - Harrington
Reinhart - Corrado
Murphy

Subban
Paterson
Broissoit

Shinkaruk is my toughest cut but no room in the top nine. I'd consider him over Hudon but everything indicates Hockey Canada is in love with Hudon. Lipon made a nice case for a fourth line spot too but I like Camara and McNeill better.
Needless to say, I like your roster. We just flipped Ritchie and Rattie, I'm thinking Strome-Ritchie stay together.

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what exactly is wrong with what he said?
Nothing as far as I can tell

I feel like he saw the lineup and immediately highlighted the text underneath.

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What I would like:

Huberdeau Nugent-Hopkins Rattie
MacKinnon Strome Scheifele
Hudon Jenner Ritchie
Drouin Danault Camara
Shinkaruk

Rielly Hamilton
Harrington Ouellet
Reinhart Corrado
Murphy

Subban
Broissot
Peterson

I am thinking that Lipon will make it over Shinkaruk, and maybe McNeil over Drouin.

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For 7th D i agree it comes down to Sproul vs Murphy.

There were a few plays where Sprouls lateral mobility was exposed a bit, and I feel for that reason Murphy will get the nod. Well that and the fact that I feel a more structured game will greatly help him skate with the puck

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I would take Murphy as the extra defenseman, still. Even though he has indeed failed to impress not just lately, but actually with some consistency in the past year and more... but... I've also seen him at his best, in his most game-breaking explosive dynamic moments, and I would just gamble on having that ace in the hole as my 7th guy. If Rielly or Hamilton got hurt, or if I needed to throw caution to the wind and put out a D on an alternating shift to those two who could take it end-to-end and come up with a scoring chance at a clutch moment... I just feel like Murphy represents a player who has the special ability to do that. It would kind of hijack the whole camp philosophy in that he maybe hasn't earned it with his camp or his recent play, but I still know what he's capable of and would gamble on having that option in my arsenal, as unfair as that might be to whoever else was in the running for the last spot.

I think it's fair to acknowledge that Murphy has stumbled once again and not really earned it... but still make a case like this for having him on the team.

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12-13-2012, 03:27 PM
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Looks familiar:



Needless to say, I like your roster. We just flipped Ritchie and Rattie, I'm thinking Strome-Ritchie stay together.
Haha, Canucks fans and Bruins fans know good hockey players when we see them

I actually agree with you that Ritchie and Strome will likely stay together, but I don't know how long that will last. I think Rattie is more suited for a top 6 forward spot, while Ritchie probably belongs on the 3rd line. But Canada will likely stick to keeping the chemistry together.

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You're absolutely wrong if you think people around here don't have allegiance. People here are stating things like they're facts that Hockey Canada has repeated. I'll give an example. "Hockey Canada won't give a guy like Murphy a defensive shift". First of all, what the coach this year has said is in complete opposition to that. Every time they've interviewed Spott about Murphy, he's said he trusts him.

Ellis only played that 7th defensemen role in his 17 year old season. He had regular shifts on regular pairings in his 18 and 19 year old years. Ellis is not to blame for only winning silver in those years. Alzner definitely wasn't a 7th defensemen either.

Corrado needs to have an amazing performance to put him above, not just scoring 2 goals. This game isn't about 3 games to prove, besides, this last game, Murphy was just as good defensively and generated way more offensive chances. Why not base it off this game if we're going to work on a small scale.

A few years ago, a few people decided to pump up how "horrible Murphy was defensively" and it's stuck ever since, that even when he's not people see the littlest mistake as evidence. A great example is in the first game, Pelech and Murphy on the ice, 2 guys around Murphy, Pelech fired it at Murphy, he got it on his stick, then was promptly taken away by the two guys right beside him. That would have happened to Harrington, Ouellet, who ever, but people here jumped on Murphy for his "horrible turnover". Corrado had a turnover similar to that this game, anothe player passed it to him in his own zone while there was someone around him, he turned it over, not a single person posted it. I think you can tell why.



The only way you can get what you want from that is to scribble your end opinion inbetween the lines than read it.
Seriously if this is the only way you can refute the proof I showed you, there is no point in replying. I'll just stand by and let the 18 other posters show you their lineups with Murphy as the 7th dman.

Obviously Spott trusts him. Murphy is his captain and top player on Kitchener, he has to trust him. But this is elite competition and Spott knows that. The fact that he even has to say that he trusts his kitchener captain to the public must mean something, because I don't hear him saying that about anyone else. But enough about that. I still want Murphy on the team. There are so many scenarios that can happen in the world jrs, so rather than arguing to every poster in here on how Murphy won't be the 7th dman, you might as well wait. Because so far the only thing you have to be proud of is that one rush murphy had in the first game and the fact that he played a shift on the pk. You've ignored all the turnovers and whatever and then you ask people for proof on why he should be the 7th d.

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Well you seem to disregard what side each player plays on, but here is how I would have it:

Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
McKinnon-Strome-Rattie
Hudon-Jenner-Ritchie
Camara-Danault-McNeil
Drouin

Reilly-Hamilton
Harrington-Ouellet (two lefties?)
Reinhart-Corrado
Murphy

Subban
Paterson
Brossoit
This is the exact lineup I would bring. Although I might move Danault up the lineup.

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Okay, here are my cuts:

GOALIE

Binnington

DEFENCE

Wotherspoon
Sproul
Dumba

FORWARDS

Shinkaruk
Catenacci
Wilson
Lipon

That would leave your lines looking like this:

Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
Mackinnon-Strome-Rattie
Camara-Jenner-Ritchie
Hudon-Danault-McNeill
Drouin

Hamilton-Rielly
Harrington-Ouellet
Reinhart-Corrado
Murphy

Subban
Paterson (BU)
Brossoit

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For 7th D i agree it comes down to Sproul vs Murphy.

There were a few plays where Sprouls lateral mobility was exposed a bit, and I feel for that reason Murphy will get the nod. Well that and the fact that I feel a more structured game will greatly help him skate with the puck
It'll be Murphy, no way his own head coach cuts him and makes him get cut 3 years straight.

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This is the exact lineup I would bring. Although I might move Danault up the lineup.
And who would you bump down?

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Mac's there for sure.
The question is if they take 2 underagers or not.
Pretty much unheard of for TC to do that.

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And who would you bump down?
Probably Ritchie or Rattie, but I really don't know what positions everyone can play. Danault's puck recovery/ forecheck looks like its at an elite level relative to his peers (Think Burrows). Putting him with some good offensive players could result in some great things.

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Well you seem to disregard what side each player plays on, but here is how I would have it:

Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
McKinnon-Strome-Rattie
Hudon-Jenner-Ritchie
Camara-Danault-McNeil
Drouin

Reilly-Hamilton
Harrington-Ouellet (two lefties?)
Reinhart-Corrado
Murphy

Subban
Paterson
Brossoit
Chemistry before Handedness.

But this is what I'd have in mind too. Wilson's on the bubble for me but if I had to make a decision, he would be cut.

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Here's my lineup.

Drouin - RNH - Mackinnin
Huberdro - Strome - R. Murphy
Schefelli - Hudon - Rattie
wilson - RNH - mcniel

reilly - hamilton
jenner - reinhart
harrington - oulette

subban

just a question though, why is pk allowed to play in this tournament i thought he was too old. is it because he's playing a new position? why doesn't team Canada just go with a natural G.

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I'm definitely second guessing my stance on keeping Strome and Ritchie together.

Hudon-Jenner-Ritchie would be a dynamite 3rd line.


Also I was thinking, if TC shies away from Nate and Drouin, I wonder if we'll see Danault slot in as the Freddie Hamilton of this team and play on Strome's LW.

Something like:

Huberdeau-RNH-Scheifele
Danault-Strome-Rattie
Hudon-Jenner-Ritchie
Camara-McNeill-Lipon

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Cuts
Forwards: Daniel Catenacci, Tom Wilson, J.C Lipon, Jonathan Drouin
Defense: Ryan Sproul, Matt Dumba, Tyler Wotherspoon
Goalie: Jordan Binnington

Most of these are obvious, but the two most difficult ones are J.C Lipon and Drouin. Lipon had a good camp, and so did Drouin. However, I'm not sure where Lipon fits. I don't see him taking a primary scoring role and I don't see him having a defensive role. I see a possibility of him taking the 13th forward, but I think they'll take Shinkaruk instead. Drouin I had making this team but his youth showed this game with all the fancy plays he tried that failed. He'll be a star next year though.

The rest I think are fairly obvious cuts that don't need much explanation. Maybe Binnington, but it was tough for him when Paterson played so well.

Forwards
Jonathan Huberdeau (A) - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (A) - Ty Rattie
Mark Schiefele - Ryan Strome - Nathan MacKinnon
Philip Danault - Boone Jenner (C) - Brett Ritchie
Charles Hudon - Mark McNeil - Anthony Camara
Hunter Shinkaruk

I think this is the best way to spread around the offense/defense. No line is a liability, all lines have speed and can score, all have somewhat of a physical element. Shinkaruk can fit in just about anywhere they need him, might switch him with Hudon though.

Defense
Morgan Rielly - Dougie Hamilton (A)
Scott Harrington (A) - Xaiver Ouellet
Griffin Reinhart - Ryan Murphy
Frank Corrado

Most of this doesn't need explanation, and with how much I've defended Murphy in the top 6 over Corrado, I don't think I need to do that again, but I'll quickly do it once more.

Murphy is more dynamic offensively than Corrado, so he's better suited to play consistently with the forwards. There is no need for a powerplay specialist this year with the offensive talent Canada has, so a utility man who can play any where is a much better role for Corrado than Murphy. I don't see why you can't trust Murphy with a defensive shift either, Spott does, he's the head coach. As well, regardless of the camps, in the OHL this season, Corrado has only been marginally better defensively. Don't see why that changes now.

Goalies
Malcom Subban
Jake Paterson
Laurent Brossoit

Paterson has not only played himself onto this team, but he's played himself into a top 2 role. No player stood out in camp, except for Paterson.

Powerplay
Jonathan Huberdeau - Ryan Strome - Nathan MacKinnon
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Ryan Murphy

Ryan Strome - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Brett Ritchie
Morgan Rielly - Ryan Murphy

Hunter Shinkaruk - Mark Schiefele - Ty Rattie
Morgan Rielly - Dougie Hamilton

Penalty Kill
Boone Jenner - Phillip Danault
Scott Harrington - Xaiver Ouellet

Mark Schiefele - Brett Ritchie
Griffin Reinhart - Dougie Hamilton

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Anthony Camara
Scott Harrington - Xavier Ouellet OR make-shift pairing

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Chemistry before Handedness.

But this is what I'd have in mind too. Wilson's on the bubble for me but if I had to make a decision, he would be cut.
I don't see much value in Tom Wilson on such a large ice surface. If this were in Canada then he would be there for sure playing the Della Rovere role. But not on an international ice surface.

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