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12-14-2012, 03:51 PM
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You say big whoop? -The NHL was at 84 games and they thought it was too much and lowered it. Did you forget?
Of course I didn't forget. Obviously I disagree with them

I'd love to hear a clear and concise reason why 82 games is the perfect sweet spot while anything more is unacceptable. I've never heard a solid reason over my years of discussing and reading about this topic.

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12-14-2012, 04:16 PM
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Increase season to 86 games (what's another 4 games? big whoop)

2 conferences, no divisions

4 x 14 in your own conference = 56
2 x 15 against other conference = 30

Swap Winnipeg with Columbus. No need for funky divisions. Straight up East and West.
Regular season is already too long. I want fewer games, if anything.

End of the season drags out and players don't want to be stuck in the "dog days" of the season for longer than they have to.

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Despite the fact that NSH would have an easier time in the Southeast, I would be extremely bummed out if we got punted out of the Central. Really love this division; great competition and some good tension.

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12-14-2012, 04:28 PM
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Regular season is already too long. I want fewer games, if anything.

End of the season drags out and players don't want to be stuck in the "dog days" of the season for longer than they have to.
I don't disagree. I also think the season is too long. But we all know they aren't going to shorten the season. Why would either side purposely want to make less money? All I know is 82 games is arbitrary and needs to change.

I disagree with you second paragraph though. The NHLPA proposed an 84 game schedule a few years ago. Seems the players don't mind an extra couple games.

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12-14-2012, 04:54 PM
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Hopefully we get this season going and the winnipeg jets will win the southeast division

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12-14-2012, 04:56 PM
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I don't disagree. I also think the season is too long. But we all know they aren't going to shorten the season. Why would either side purposely want to make less money? All I know is 82 games is arbitrary and needs to change.

I disagree with you second paragraph though. The NHLPA proposed an 84 game schedule a few years ago. Seems the players don't mind an extra couple games.
Was it the players; I remember it being Devellano of the Red Wings.

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12-14-2012, 05:03 PM
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Was it the players; I remember it being Devellano of the Red Wings.
It was both. Not sure who actually came up with the idea, but the NHLPA and the players backed it. The NHL eventually shot it down.

edit: Good memory. Devellano originally proposed it, but the NHLPA quickly got on board.

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"It was my proposal," said Jimmy Devellano, the Wings' senior vice president. "I realized I couldn't get two thirds (majority) for my proposal now but having listened to Paul Kelly yesterday, I can see the players are for it. They'd like to go into every rink at least once. It doesn't appear on the surface that it'll be a hard sell with the union. The players want it. They're our performers, our actors and we should listen to them. And the fans want it. Probably after next year we'll go back with the 84-game schedule with a reduction in preseason games from nine to, say, six."


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12-14-2012, 05:11 PM
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Increase season to 86 games (what's another 4 games? big whoop)

2 conferences, no divisions

4 x 14 in your own conference = 56
2 x 15 against other conference = 30

Swap Winnipeg with Columbus. No need for funky divisions. Straight up East and West.
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2 conferences, no divisions

5 x 14 in your own conference = 70
Meetings between conferences only in the play-offs

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12-14-2012, 05:28 PM
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Paul Kelly
See, that's...ok, well, now we know why anyone would agree to anything.

Original 6 East: Mtl, Bos, NYR, Ott, NYI, NJ, Phi, Was, Car, TB, Fla
Original 6 Central: Det, Tor, Chi, Buf, Pit, Clb, Wpg, Min, StL, Nas, Dal

West: Van, Edm, Cal, SJ, LA, Ana, Phx, Col

Top 4 in the West make the playoffs, and play each other. Top 12 in the O6 conferences, 1-12, and they play each other. Re-seed for the 3rd round.

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I like the way the league is now! But I'm both a NYR and Jets fan, so as it is, I get to see them both. Once they re-align though, no more Rangers.

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12-14-2012, 06:04 PM
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I would love for a realignment as long as the Habs remain with Boston, Toronto and Ottawa. The rivalry between the 3 is pretty awesome (minus the habs/sens games cause there's no hate). Get rid of Buffalo tbh, replace them with a move exciting team that suits the division, the only intense games they have is with Boston...and if there is a team relocation and the Nordiques come back that would be amazing

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Toronto
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12-14-2012, 06:56 PM
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I would love for a realignment as long as the Habs remain with Boston, Toronto and Ottawa. The rivalry between the 3 is pretty awesome (minus the habs/sens games cause there's no hate). Get rid of Buffalo tbh, replace them with a move exciting team that suits the division, the only intense games they have is with Boston...and if there is a team relocation and the Nordiques come back that would be amazing

Habs
Boston
Ottawa
Toronto
Nordiques

Obviously that would be the perfect Divisional grouping for the Canadiens,...
Bud if for other teams to have a better Divisional alignment it would mean you'd have to give up part of that perfect package? What different alternative Divisional groupings could you live with?

For example, let's take a stab at what might be a perfect Division for Boston:
Montreal
Boston
Rangers
Islanders
New Jersey

Or for Buffalo:
Toronto
Buffalo
Detroit
Rangers
Islanders

Or for Detroit:
Toronto
Columbus
Detroit
Chicago
Buffalo

Every team would like to have a perfect Division, but compromise should be the reality for all.


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12-15-2012, 08:49 AM
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What about five teams per division, three divisions per conference?

Western Conference

LA Kings
Anaheim Ducks
San Jose Sharks
Phoenix Coyotes
Colorado Avalanche

Minnesota Wild
Winnipeg Jets
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Vancouver Canucks

Chicago Blackhawks
St. Louis Blues
Columbus Blue Jackets
Nashville Predators
Dallas Stars

Eastern Conference

Detroit Red Wings
Montreal Canadiens
Boston Bruins
Toronto Maple Leafs
Ottawa Senators

Pittsburgh Penguins
Philadelphia Flyers
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey

Florida Panthers
Tampa Bay Lightning
Buffalo Sabres
Washington Capitals
Carolina Hurricanes


Tried to keep rivalries intact. 5 games against teams in your division (20 games), 3 games against the rest of the teams in your conference (30 games, 50 games total), and two games against each team in the opposing conference (30 games, 80 games total).


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12-15-2012, 09:44 AM
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I liked the NHLs proposal hoping for something similar ASAP

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12-15-2012, 10:35 AM
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What about five teams per division, three divisions per conference?

Western Conference

LA Kings
Anaheim Ducks
San Jose Sharks
Phoenix Coyotes
Colorado Avalanche

Minnesota Wild
Winnipeg Jets
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Vancouver Canucks

Chicago Blackhawks
St. Louis Blues
Columbus Blue Jackets
Nashville Predators
Dallas Stars

Eastern Conference

Detroit Red Wings
Montreal Canadiens
Boston Bruins
Toronto Maple Leafs
Ottawa Senators

Pittsburgh Penguins
Philadelphia Flyers
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey


Tried to keep rivalries intact. 5 games against teams in your division (20 games), 3 games against the rest of the teams in your conference (30 games, 50 games total), and two games against each team in the opposing conference (30 games, 80 games total).
Hey, you're missing a Division, and those leftover teams don't really fit together.

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12-15-2012, 10:46 AM
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Since we are going to need a new schedule anyways the NHL should just realign during this CBA and get it done....I know it won't happen thought

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12-15-2012, 01:11 PM
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How I would do it

Western Conference

Pacific
Anaheim, LA, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver - Vancouver instead of Dallas

Northwest
Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, Winnipeg - Winnipeg instead of Vancouver

Central
Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Nashville, St. Louis - Dallas instead of Columbus


Eastern Conference

Atlantic
New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh - Same

Northeast
Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto - Same

Southeast
Columbus, Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington - Columbus moves East, replaces Winnipeg



Basically, made the necessary East/West swap by picking Columbus to move East and swap with Winnipeg. Detroit clearly does not need to move East to be successful, as evidenced by the last 21 years, so they stay in the West and make sure Chicago isn't the only Original Six team in that conference.

Made a few adjustments to the Western divisions, making travel within division easier for most of the teams, exception being maybe the Central. As much as I wanted to put the Wild in the Central, as long as they're with Winnipeg instead, that's fine with me.

If there's a 2 team Expansion then a whole new idea will be needed, maybe 4 - 4 team divisions per conference ala the NFL, or maybe something different. If both teams are in the East like speculated by some (Quebec, Toronto/Markham), then Columbus would more than likely move back West. If one is in the East and 1 in the West (Quebec/Seattle is what I'm hoping for if it happens), then the Jackets can stay East. Relocation would be different, obviously, but I don't feel like going into it.

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12-15-2012, 02:41 PM
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What about five teams per division, three divisions per conference?

Western Conference

LA Kings
Anaheim Ducks
San Jose Sharks
Phoenix Coyotes
Colorado Avalanche

Minnesota Wild
Winnipeg Jets
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Vancouver Canucks

Chicago Blackhawks
St. Louis Blues
Columbus Blue Jackets
Nashville Predators
Dallas Stars

Eastern Conference

Detroit Red Wings
Montreal Canadiens
Buffalo Sabres
Toronto Maple Leafs
Ottawa Senators

Boston Bruins
Philadelphia Flyers
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey Devils

Florida Panthers
Tampa Bay Lightning
Pittsburgh Penguins
Washington Capitals
Carolina Hurricanes


Tried to keep rivalries intact. 5 games against teams in your division (20 games), 3 games against the rest of the teams in your conference (30 games, 50 games total), and two games against each team in the opposing conference (30 games, 80 games total).
I like these divisions, but I'd switch Pittsburgh, Boston, and Buffalo. Pittsburgh will still have the Ovechkin-Crosby rivalry (media-created it may be), and the teams will be better-sorted geographically.

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12-15-2012, 02:44 PM
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The Union doesn't want re-alignment.

Also seasons should be less games.

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12-15-2012, 03:48 PM
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The Union doesn't want re-alignment.

Also seasons should be less games.
I wouldn't say that the Union doesn't want realignment, but it didn't want the realignment that Bettman and the owners were trying implement last December. And those who were saying that the Union's response to the owners proposed realignment was simply a bargaining ploy to be used in the CBA negotiations... HAA... Realignment has been the least of the problems with the CBA, in fact it hasn't even been mentioned. The players simply didn't like that proposed realignment plan, and they used their right to vote against it.

And yes, the Season probably rightfully should be shorter, but high hopes of that ever happening.

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What about five teams per division, three divisions per conference?

Western Conference

LA Kings
Anaheim Ducks
San Jose Sharks
Phoenix Coyotes
Colorado Avalanche

Minnesota Wild
Winnipeg Jets
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Vancouver Canucks

Chicago Blackhawks
St. Louis Blues
Columbus Blue Jackets
Nashville Predators
Dallas Stars

Eastern Conference

Detroit Red Wings
Montreal Canadiens
Boston Bruins
Toronto Maple Leafs
Ottawa Senators

Pittsburgh Penguins
Philadelphia Flyers
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey

Florida Panthers
Tampa Bay Lightning
Buffalo Sabres
Washington Capitals
Carolina Hurricanes


Tried to keep rivalries intact. 5 games against teams in your division (20 games), 3 games against the rest of the teams in your conference (30 games, 50 games total), and two games against each team in the opposing conference (30 games, 80 games total).
Ok, so you edited and added in the missing Division. So now...

Minnesota Wild
Winnipeg Jets
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Vancouver Canucks

Minnesota won't like that Division one little bit, the lone US-based team in a sea of Canadian. Primarily, Minnesota wants back in with its old "rivals" (if you can call them that), St Louis and Chicago. And they'll use the all-Canadian Division argument and the 3 TZ argument.

Detroit Red Wings
Montreal Canadiens
Boston Bruins
Toronto Maple Leafs

Ottawa Senators

That Division just isn't fair, 4 long-established O-6 teams in one Division...

Florida Panthers
Tampa Bay Lightning
Buffalo Sabres
Washington Capitals
Carolina Hurricanes

LOL... Buffalo will love that alignment... No!

Chicago Blackhawks
St. Louis Blues
Columbus Blue Jackets
Nashville Predators
Dallas Stars

And I'm not sure that Columbus will like being stuck as the lone ETZ team in the West, not to mention that it won't help the Blue Jackets woes of a declining fanbase (though the best thing to fix that is simply to start winning).

So ultimately, I'd say... Back to the drawing board.

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Best thing the NHLPA ever did was shutdown that awful realignment plan. They better structure it a heck of a lot better if they are going to make drastic changes.

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Best thing the NHLPA ever did was shutdown that awful realignment plan. They better structure it a heck of a lot better if they are going to make drastic changes.
Meaning what? Because the current(that can't be the right word) alignment is also awful. It is currently(?) poorly structured. Two divisions spanning 3 time zones. One conference spanning 4 time zones. Great for the teams in the East, or at least northeast corridor, since that SE division is nicely hidden away so that they don't contaminate anyone.

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Meaning what? Because the current(that can't be the right word) alignment is also awful. It is currently(?) poorly structured. Two divisions spanning 3 time zones. One conference spanning 4 time zones. Great for the teams in the East, or at least northeast corridor, since that SE division is nicely hidden away so that they don't contaminate anyone.
Fix the time zone issue another way. Which seems to be the big problem with the current format. You don't need to create 4 conferences, which are uneven to boot, and a laughable playoff format to fix it.

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Meaning what? Because the current(that can't be the right word) alignment is also awful. It is currently(?) poorly structured. Two divisions spanning 3 time zones. One conference spanning 4 time zones. Great for the teams in the East, or at least northeast corridor, since that SE division is nicely hidden away so that they don't contaminate anyone.
Few would argue that the current alignment isn't bad, but the proposed realignment also sucked wind. That's what happens when there exists forces in the League which put up obstacles at every turn against any realignment that might actually make sense.

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