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12-31-2012, 09:23 PM
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this is a really good team.
It has the potential to be, yes.

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I want to apologize to Boone Jenner for all the terrible things I have thought and written about him recently.


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I did not know that Jenner had the same amount of goals as Galchenyuk.

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I did not know that Jenner had the same amount of goals as Galchenyuk.
Jenner will be better than galchenyuk. Book it

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Laughable.



Are you actually suggesting he's not better than Galchenyuk now?

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I did not know that Jenner had the same amount of goals as Galchenyuk.
Plus Galchenyuk gets the advantage of a great playmaker in Sarault. Jenner's got the 16 year Dal Colle and Biggs on his line, neither are the most creative offensive players you'll find. Jenner has been tremendous in the OHL this year.

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Yes, undrafted player (2 years ago, did a 38 Pts in 68 matchs before playing with Galchenyuk) is showing better a 3rd Overall NHL draft pick then he is.

Wait, I think Jenner is playing with a center first rounder : Scott Laughton (injured)

U drunked? Just saying

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Yes, undrafted player (2 years ago, did a 38 Pts in 68 matchs before playing with Galchenyuk) is showing better a 3rd Overall NHL draft pick then he is.

Wait, I think Jenner is playing with a center first rounder : Scott Laughton (injured)

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Yes, because we judge players by what they did two years ago.

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We'll once again we are heading to the bronze. I remember a time when how you played in camp determined whether or not you made this team.

These days we have this ******** where players are "locks" and regardless what they do, they make the team.

Dare I say that until HC removes the politics from this tourney.......it's going to be a steady downward spiral.

Oh and while I'm ranting, we need to start picking coaches who aren't complete ****ing idiots.

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Subban didn't deserve to make the team and is the main reason Canada lost.

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Subban didn't deserve to make the team and is the main reason Canada lost.
I agree he shouldn't have been on the team but he wasn't the reason they lost today.

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We'll once again we are heading to the bronze. I remember a time when how you played in camp determined whether or not you made this team.

These days we have this ******** where players are "locks" and regardless what they do, they make the team.

Dare I say that until HC removes the politics from this tourney.......it's going to be a steady downward spiral.

Oh and while I'm ranting, we need to start picking coaches who aren't complete ****ing idiots.
HC of this team should be a full time job from now on??
Still don't understand what Spott did to deserve this position other than be an assistant last year. Maybe the question should be what did he do to get the assistants job last year?

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I called this long ago, when the team was bringing in tanning lights and personal cooks.

This team is too pampered for a team that hasnt won in years.

Lack of character.

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01-03-2013, 10:32 AM
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HC of this team should be a full time job from now on??
Still don't understand what Spott did to deserve this position other than be an assistant last year. Maybe the question should be what did he do to get the assistants job last year?
very questionable decisions before the Tourny started

-choosing Murphy over Ceci and Corrado
-starting Subban
-too many "locks"
-coming out flat once again in the semi's for the 2nd year in a row

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Completely blame Spott for this one..

Not giving Binnington a shot at all while Subban struggled in camp and early in the tourney.

Drouin is good enough to play on the top line but his linemate in Halifax who is better then him in Mackinnon is only good enough for the fourth line and gets no playing time.

Ryan Murphy being on the team is complete political BS that has killed this team. He has barely produced in the OHL this year, and he plays a style that sucks for team Canada. Canada didnt need a guy to hog the puck up the ice on the PP and try to do it all, all they needed was someone who can put up points on the chances theyre given. If they wanted a PP specialist it should've been Sproul. He has 28 points in 21 games with 10 goals, Murphy has 22 points in 31 games and 4 goals. But as far as the team goes Corrado should've been there before him after his good camp where Murphy was sub par. He got burned a few times big today, its a joke he was on the team

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Just to start things off, that was the worst performance I can remember from Canada at this tournament since 1998. Team Canada hasn't laid down and accepted a loss like that in well over a decade, at any level. Disgraceful, and Hockey Canada needs to look into why this tournament was such a failure.

I agree with a fair amount of the recent sentiment in here. One issue that I do not question, really, is the team selection. Lipon and Murphy were bad picks, but they were not the reason that Canada lost. This team went with skill and even selected two seventeen year olds, which is something that many of us hope for every year. Subban played well enough in the summer series and in the OHL to at least make the team, and it is worth noting that he is not the reason that Canada lost the game today.

It is absolutely absurd that this Canadian team was outplayed thoroughly by that team. There is no justification. Losing is one thing, but being dominated is completely different. This was one of the most talented teams that Canada has sent, and they were certainly well ahead of every team in this tournament. Still, they never really displayed any sense of cohesion. Teamwork was minimal. Most damning of all, they did not look like they gave a crap about anything on the ice.

One of the posters above said that the Canadian team is too pampered, and I don't see how that can be argued. These players have TSN profiling them throughout the year and talking about how great they are, they follow cuts on twitter, get fancy team jackets with golden writing, they have team chefs brought across the world for them and even ridiculous things like the lights this year. They're celebrities at home before they even play a game. The approach needs to be changed. Hockey Canada needs to change this approach. Limit the media contact before the tournament begins. Let the players face a bit of adversity when they are away from home, to build a sense of being an actual team. At home, keep them relatively cloistered to avoid big heads.

Blame needs to be given to the specific players and the coaching staff as well. Spott honestly seems like a buffoon after watching his post game interviews. How did this guy, with pretty minimal junior coaching experience, get the job? Being an assistant on one of the most poorly coached Canadian teams in recent memory should have been a negative factor, instead of a positive. Canada never found a way to effectively move the puck out of the zone and establish and keep possession in the offensive zone. As far as I can tell, they NEVER changed things. Juggling lines is better than Don Hay did, but it is not enough. Canada's offensive struggles, on a team filled with talent, were apparent for all to see right from even the SSS, in addition to the selection camp. It seems that Spott was happy just getting by, even if they were unimpressive against everyone other than arguably Russia. Not acceptable, and it displays an arrogance that all the team had to do was show up to win. The decision to never play Binnington was baffling as well, at least in the second game. Despite what they said, it is very obvious that Subban was the starting goaltender from August onward.

The players collectively are the most to blame.These guys see replays of various WJC successes, hear about how loaded they were because of the lockout, and it certainly seems like it impacted their play. They seemed to believe that the other teams would basically throw the puck into their own net just because of who Canada was throwing out on the ice. They didn't even play hard when down big in the semi finals, until of course they started throwing tantrums. It is inexcusable to go through this whole tournament without a single moment of desperation. The structure of the team was terrible, but players of that supposed quality should be able to put up points against other junior players.

This was a much more embarrassing display for those involved than anything since 1998. Hockey Canada needs to reflect on what went so wrong that the whole team collectively did not give a crap about playing hard. The culture of Canada at the WJCs needs to change. Winning should be expected for Canada, but it should not be expected to come so easily that the players only have to make an appearance.

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Just to start things off, that was the worst performance I can remember from Canada at this tournament since 1998. Team Canada hasn't laid down and accepted a loss like that in well over a decade, at any level. Disgraceful, and Hockey Canada needs to look into why this tournament was such a failure.

I agree with a fair amount of the recent sentiment in here. One issue that I do not question, really, is the team selection. Lipon and Murphy were bad picks, but they were not the reason that Canada lost. This team went with skill and even selected two seventeen year olds, which is something that many of us hope for every year. Subban played well enough in the summer series and in the OHL to at least make the team, and it is worth noting that he is not the reason that Canada lost the game today.

It is absolutely absurd that this Canadian team was outplayed thoroughly by that team. There is no justification. Losing is one thing, but being dominated is completely different. This was one of the most talented teams that Canada has sent, and they were certainly well ahead of every team in this tournament. Still, they never really displayed any sense of cohesion. Teamwork was minimal. Most damning of all, they did not look like they gave a crap about anything on the ice.

One of the posters above said that the Canadian team is too pampered, and I don't see how that can be argued. These players have TSN profiling them throughout the year and talking about how great they are, they follow cuts on twitter, get fancy team jackets with golden writing, they have team chefs brought across the world for them and even ridiculous things like the lights this year. They're celebrities at home before they even play a game. The approach needs to be changed. Hockey Canada needs to change this approach. Limit the media contact before the tournament begins. Let the players face a bit of adversity when they are away from home, to build a sense of being an actual team. At home, keep them relatively cloistered to avoid big heads.

Blame needs to be given to the specific players and the coaching staff as well. Spott honestly seems like a buffoon after watching his post game interviews. How did this guy, with pretty minimal junior coaching experience, get the job? Being an assistant on one of the most poorly coached Canadian teams in recent memory should have been a negative factor, instead of a positive. Canada never found a way to effectively move the puck out of the zone and establish and keep possession in the offensive zone. As far as I can tell, they NEVER changed things. Juggling lines is better than Don Hay did, but it is not enough. Canada's offensive struggles, on a team filled with talent, were apparent for all to see right from even the SSS, in addition to the selection camp. It seems that Spott was happy just getting by, even if they were unimpressive against everyone other than arguably Russia. Not acceptable, and it displays an arrogance that all the team had to do was show up to win. The decision to never play Binnington was baffling as well, at least in the second game. Despite what they said, it is very obvious that Subban was the starting goaltender from August onward.

The players collectively are the most to blame.These guys see replays of various WJC successes, hear about how loaded they were because of the lockout, and it certainly seems like it impacted their play. They seemed to believe that the other teams would basically throw the puck into their own net just because of who Canada was throwing out on the ice. They didn't even play hard when down big in the semi finals, until of course they started throwing tantrums. It is inexcusable to go through this whole tournament without a single moment of desperation. The structure of the team was terrible, but players of that supposed quality should be able to put up points against other junior players.

This was a much more embarrassing display for those involved than anything since 1998. Hockey Canada needs to reflect on what went so wrong that the whole team collectively did not give a crap about playing hard. The culture of Canada at the WJCs needs to change. Winning should be expected for Canada, but it should not be expected to come so easily that the players only have to make an appearance.
Fantastic post

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Well Jack, you just saved me a lot of typing. Cheers!

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Heard on TSN radio that there are already racist tweets popping up against Subban.

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Just to start things off, that was the worst performance I can remember from Canada at this tournament since 1998. Team Canada hasn't laid down and accepted a loss like that in well over a decade, at any level. Disgraceful, and Hockey Canada needs to look into why this tournament was such a failure.

I agree with a fair amount of the recent sentiment in here. One issue that I do not question, really, is the team selection. Lipon and Murphy were bad picks, but they were not the reason that Canada lost. This team went with skill and even selected two seventeen year olds, which is something that many of us hope for every year. Subban played well enough in the summer series and in the OHL to at least make the team, and it is worth noting that he is not the reason that Canada lost the game today.

It is absolutely absurd that this Canadian team was outplayed thoroughly by that team. There is no justification. Losing is one thing, but being dominated is completely different. This was one of the most talented teams that Canada has sent, and they were certainly well ahead of every team in this tournament. Still, they never really displayed any sense of cohesion. Teamwork was minimal. Most damning of all, they did not look like they gave a crap about anything on the ice.

One of the posters above said that the Canadian team is too pampered, and I don't see how that can be argued. These players have TSN profiling them throughout the year and talking about how great they are, they follow cuts on twitter, get fancy team jackets with golden writing, they have team chefs brought across the world for them and even ridiculous things like the lights this year. They're celebrities at home before they even play a game. The approach needs to be changed. Hockey Canada needs to change this approach. Limit the media contact before the tournament begins. Let the players face a bit of adversity when they are away from home, to build a sense of being an actual team. At home, keep them relatively cloistered to avoid big heads.

Blame needs to be given to the specific players and the coaching staff as well. Spott honestly seems like a buffoon after watching his post game interviews. How did this guy, with pretty minimal junior coaching experience, get the job? Being an assistant on one of the most poorly coached Canadian teams in recent memory should have been a negative factor, instead of a positive. Canada never found a way to effectively move the puck out of the zone and establish and keep possession in the offensive zone. As far as I can tell, they NEVER changed things. Juggling lines is better than Don Hay did, but it is not enough. Canada's offensive struggles, on a team filled with talent, were apparent for all to see right from even the SSS, in addition to the selection camp. It seems that Spott was happy just getting by, even if they were unimpressive against everyone other than arguably Russia. Not acceptable, and it displays an arrogance that all the team had to do was show up to win. The decision to never play Binnington was baffling as well, at least in the second game. Despite what they said, it is very obvious that Subban was the starting goaltender from August onward.

The players collectively are the most to blame.These guys see replays of various WJC successes, hear about how loaded they were because of the lockout, and it certainly seems like it impacted their play. They seemed to believe that the other teams would basically throw the puck into their own net just because of who Canada was throwing out on the ice. They didn't even play hard when down big in the semi finals, until of course they started throwing tantrums. It is inexcusable to go through this whole tournament without a single moment of desperation. The structure of the team was terrible, but players of that supposed quality should be able to put up points against other junior players.

This was a much more embarrassing display for those involved than anything since 1998. Hockey Canada needs to reflect on what went so wrong that the whole team collectively did not give a crap about playing hard. The culture of Canada at the WJCs needs to change. Winning should be expected for Canada, but it should not be expected to come so easily that the players only have to make an appearance.
Nothing at all to disagree with here. People are going to question both the selection and play of bottom-end guys like Lipon, Murphy, Camara, McNeill, and the goaltending of Subban, but the fact is we've won (and lost) with similar guys in similar roles before. Camara and Lipon were selected to the team to play 4th line, energy-type roles, kill a few penalties, and provide marginal offensive production - and that's what they did. McNeill, a replacement for Hudon, was brought in as a checker and PKer, and he played his role like he was asked. Unquestionably Murphy was played too much, but that was Spott's decision, and its on Spott to put his players in positions in which they can succeed. Subban let in one definite softie today, but its hard to place any blame on him for the first three, especially considering how good he was the previous two games. Still, Spott should have given him the hook at least after the 3rd goal, simply in an attempt to change the momentum.

For the first time in I don't know how long, we actually brought a lot of skill to this tournament, and deviated from the 2-1-1 (scoring-checking-energy) template; its rare to see one, not to mention two, 17-year olds up front, and our top-end skill level was off the charts compared to previous teams. Problem is, they didn't seem to give a **** today. We kept hearing about the "lockout line", how many of these guys would be in the NHL if not for the lockout, etc, etc. After a while, that gets in your head. RNH was fantastic, until today, but I expected a lot more in the way of leadership from the captain and a near-PPG NHLer (see: Bergeron, Patrice - 2005). Huberdeau was invisible the entire tournament - its hard to see how he'd be an impact player in the NHL right now. Scheifele showed flashes of why he he was a top-5 pick, but most of the time he was getting muscled around by lesser-regarded teenagers and again I now have a hard time envisioning him being an impact NHLer. Strome was poor defensively, and couldn't find any chemistry with his linemates. Hamilton was of course subpar. These are players who, consensus holds, should be in the NHL right now!

Deep down, I feel like this team, this group of players, were hyped up so much because of the availability of key players due to the lockout that they felt like they were entitled to not only win, but dominate - like the 2005 lockout team; problem is, the 2003 draft was one of the best of all-time, whereas taken for face value, this was simply a run-of-the-mill Canadian WJHC team that should have been considered in the mix for Gold, but not the prohibitive favorites. Like all Canadian junior teams, there will be a few guys that go on to stardom, a few that carve-out long, productive careers, and a bunch whose names you won't hear every again.

Going forward, hopefully they can grab a Bronze out of this fiasco. I'm certainly not one to offer any answers, but after we get past minor quibbles with team selection, at its core it starts with coaching and its on Spott that this team was simply not prepared to play today.

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Of course there is, people are idiots. Wasn't even Subbans fault at all.

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how come no one was hitting against the us? everyone was turning away from finishing their checks it was pathetic

although a lot of the dmen were bad (how many goals were t-drag shots?) murphy was terrible, pinches too much and gets turned into a pylon in his own end

coach was a joke too

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Completely blame Spott for this one..

Not giving Binnington a shot at all while Subban struggled in camp and early in the tourney.

Drouin is good enough to play on the top line but his linemate in Halifax who is better then him in Mackinnon is only good enough for the fourth line and gets no playing time.

Ryan Murphy being on the team is complete political BS that has killed this team. He has barely produced in the OHL this year, and he plays a style that sucks for team Canada. Canada didnt need a guy to hog the puck up the ice on the PP and try to do it all, all they needed was someone who can put up points on the chances theyre given. If they wanted a PP specialist it should've been Sproul. He has 28 points in 21 games with 10 goals, Murphy has 22 points in 31 games and 4 goals. But as far as the team goes Corrado should've been there before him after his good camp where Murphy was sub par. He got burned a few times big today, its a joke he was on the team
Did you notice how much pp time Ouellet got in today's game? If you didn't, you're gonna get even angrier. For both pp's combined it was under 20 seconds.

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Ryan Murray instead of Murphy would have help us so much. Hudon instead of McNeill. Eberle instead of RNH.

Just kidding for the last one

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