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12-14-2012, 06:56 PM
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Fehr beat MLB.

NHLPA hires Fehr to "win."

Fehr meets his match: Bettman.
And they both cause a collapse of the league. I'm sure a majority of owners don't want all players to suddenly become free agents either. Small teams wont be able to compete, and big teams risk losing the well constructed teams they have. It's complete anarchy over a couple of contracting issues.

Too anyone thinking either side has won or is going to win this. STOP. Because both sides lose in this scenario. Owners, Players, and most of all the fans. A players association and a CBA is mutually beneficial too both sides in the long run but since neither sides has ever wanted to play nice we end up with a joke of system and the laughing stock of pro sports.

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What about the Sens prospect?
His residence is also in NY. Born in Rochester and plays in the AHL with Binghamton.

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I get the feeling that the players will ask for a vote.
What can they vote on - I'm serious. Like what offer is on the table? The one from October? Or do you mean voting on DOI?

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Wasn't it upshall that said something like " we have to get to January to get the leagues best deal..."

I'm assuming that is why he is named. Evidence that the nhlpa isn't negotiating for real yet.

Which appears to be true.

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haha. i'm such a noob. i'm so confused, isn't it illegal for the nhl to void their employees contracts??

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People, settle down. This wasn't a surprise to anyone, and for sure not to Bettman/Fehr. Like the poster above mentioned, the NBA did the EXACT same thing during their recent lockout (sue to block decertification/void contracts). It's all part of the negotiation.

The players WON'T become free agents. That would be awful for both sides and kill the league. They won't let it happen.
No, they won't - because that just might be the "checkmate" moment of this process. NONE of the players want that to happen.

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If everything goes to hell, I imagine RFA status wouldn't count. I'm just guessing though.

As has been mentioned, it's a low chance of everything going to hell...but you never know. This is Bettman and Fehr.
We could make a sitcom out of this circus. And that would be the title.

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If Snider loses Giroux, he might have a shot at Stammer or Geno too. If the Habs can replace Price and PK with comparable guys while getting rid of Gomez and Bourque, Habs fans like myself wouldn't bat an eye.

It goes both ways.
Theoretically, If the worst happens, teams like Philly, NYR, Montreal, etc won't have a problem getting new stars. What about teams like TB or Nashville?

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A LOT of owners must be praying to everything they hold sacred that their best players don't suddenly become free agents.
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As others have pointed out already, this may never see the light of day in court. Chances are that they're more likely to strike a deal before they ever present in court.
There will be no player signings until a new CBA. A players status (UFA or RFA) will be decided by said CBA.

It means that when a new CBA is signed all players will need a new contract or all the old contracts will be grandfathered in.

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Wasn't it upshall that said something like " we have to get to January to get the leagues best deal..."

I'm assuming that is why he is named. Evidence that the nhlpa isn't negotiating for real yet.

Which appears to be true.
https://twitter.com/ScottieUpshall/s...55634920624128

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There's no pressure yet on the owners to lose this year, that's why they still treat us like Cattle. They'll need a partner come January.

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Hey! Subban doesn't have a contract, and Galchenyuk is not a member of the PA! Sure we'd lose Price, but we'd lose the rest of the losers too! And keep our younglins! Go Courts Go!! VOID VOID VOID!!!
That's what I thought too. We have way too much dead weight and very few legit 1st liners. If we replace Price with Lundy or Quick

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could someone explain to me whats going on? so all of the players are going to be UFA if they don't take a new deal or are all the players going to be UFA no matter what now?

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this is hilarious......especially in regards to the players tweets being submitted in court,...whether it affects anything or not.....those players look like imbeciles now...and I don`t care how the Caps roster looks, I wanna see those contracts voided, just for the sheer spectacle of watching millionaire players panic and point fingers at each other !

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Theoretically, If the worst happens, teams like Philly, NYR, Montreal, etc won't have a problem getting new stars. What about teams like TB or Nashville?
We shouldn't have too much trouble. In a poll a while back asking the players where they would most like to play, they ranked TB 5th.

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My real hope is that the NHL has put up enough of an attack to get this decertification nonsense out of the players heads.

As long as the PA believes there is a card to play they won't negotiate.

If we have truly reached a stalemate then perhaps we can see a conclusion relatively quickly.

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Theoretically, If the worst happens, teams like Philly, NYR, Montreal, etc won't have a problem getting new stars. What about teams like TB or Nashville?
Could u imagine 700 free agents and crazy Ed with no salary cap

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If everything goes to hell, I imagine RFA status wouldn't count. I'm just guessing though.

As has been mentioned, it's a low chance of everything going to hell...but you never know. This is Bettman and Fehr.
The players surely don't want to risk having to let a third party decide their fate. They will not give up the contracts that they have signed and risk coming back to a league with non-guaranteed contracts.

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haha. i'm such a noob. i'm so confused, isn't it illegal for the nhl to void their employees contracts??
They didn't they asked the courts to void the player's contracts if it can be shown the players are negotiating in bad faith.

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could someone explain to me whats going on? so all of the players are going to be UFA if they don't take a new deal or are all the players going to be UFA no matter what now?
In short, it's a very unlikely scenario that people are getting way too carried away with. This is pie in the sky stuff basically.

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on d/c or cba?
The latest proposal.

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There's no pressure yet on the owners to lose this year, that's why they still treat us like Cattle. They'll need a partner come January.
comments like that and the NHL claiming in court that they provided over 200,000 pages of financial documents to the NHLPA will likely prove the players weren`t negotiating in good faith

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I wanna see those contracts voided, just for the sheer spectacle of watching millionaire players panic and point fingers at each other !
It would be chaos, but it'd be predictable. Players won't simply get up and move their family. The good players will get even more money and the lesser players will be the losers.

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The latest proposal.
They would have to request it to be put back on the table. The last one at least.

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We shouldn't have too much trouble. In a poll a while back asking the players where they would most like to play, they ranked TB 5th.
Yup, most cities appeal to different players. Montreal Toronto (and others) will get play because they are hockey crazy cities. But other nice cities that aren't hockey crazy are also appealing to some players (Phx comes to mind).

It's the Columbus' of the league that are going to have trouble.

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It would be chaos, but it'd be predictable. Players won't simply get up and move their family. The good players will get even more money and the lesser players will be the losers.
but a chaos we would thoroughly enjoy

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