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02-05-2013, 02:27 PM
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Cards are about to hold a press conference concerning Carpenter, word around town is that he might retire due to injuries.

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02-05-2013, 02:48 PM
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I wonder if that means Lohse re-signing is a possibility.

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02-05-2013, 02:53 PM
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I wonder if that means Lohse re-signing is a possibility.
Mo played it down sayin he likes what we have but he will explore any option that will improve the club.

Thats just classic Mo though, he always talks stuff like that down, frankly Id be surprised if we dont bring him back now.

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I mean we do have a glut of young starters. But I think bringing back Lohse should/will happen

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Dang that sucks, but sort of seemed inevitable at some point, was a warrior though.

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If Carp doesn't pitch in '13, I doubt he comes back

I'd like to see Miller in the rotation.. Lohse is gone IMO

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02-05-2013, 08:02 PM
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Carp being done sucks. Mo needs to explore bringing Lohse back. Wainwright is the only sure thing we have now. Garcia has injury problems of his own, Westbrook sucks and Lynn faded in the 2nd half last year.

How much do they wanna rely on Miller, Rosenthal, Kelly or maybe even Martinez?


As for Chris Carpenter. If this is in fact the end, he had an amazing career and was just dominant in the playoffs. I'll never forget the 2006 and 2011 runs. The complete game to clinch on the last day then out dueling Halladay in Game 5 in 2011 were epic. He has a boarder line HOF case.

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Carp would probably just retire, but I think he'd give up a lot of cash if he did that

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02-05-2013, 09:07 PM
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Carp being done sucks. Mo needs to explore bringing Lohse back. Wainwright is the only sure thing we have now. Garcia has injury problems of his own, Westbrook sucks and Lynn faded in the 2nd half last year.

How much do they wanna rely on Miller, Rosenthal, Kelly or maybe even Martinez?


As for Chris Carpenter. If this is in fact the end, he had an amazing career and was just dominant in the playoffs. I'll never forget the 2006 and 2011 runs. The complete game to clinch on the last day then out dueling Halladay in Game 5 in 2011 were epic. He has a boarder line HOF case.
Unfortunately, not really. He had 4-5 good years. 3 dominant ones. Simply too many injuries, not enough longevity to get him in.

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you can break carpenter up into three pieces of his career.

there's four years in toronto, his age 23-26 seasons, where he went for a 4.75 era in 716 innings and an era+ of 100. exactly league average. he then pitched 73 innings and tore his labrum in 2002 and missed all of 2003. he signed with the cardinals and had a really, really good stretch from 2004-06, going for a 3.10 era in 645 innings of 139 era+ ball. really, really good. then bone spurs and tj put him out for all but 21 innings in 2007 and 2008. he came back with a 3.02 era in 665 innings of 128 era+.

he's a really good pitcher but there are gaps of time in his career where he was hurt and that hurts his case. he's one of the better postseason pitchers of his time, which is great, but i don't think he has much of a case. he's only thrown 2219 innings, which is more than hall of famers gossage, fingers and sutter to name a few, but they were mostly relief pitchers (gossage and fingers actually started the exact same number of games: 37) and there are a few names in there who i would have to research more to see why they're in (candy cummings, i probably shouldn't google that name at work).

i can't see how carpenter would get in.

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No way Carpenter gets in. Injuries derailed his career however. He didnt bust out until his late 20s and he also missed almost 4 full years of baseball.

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I said boarder line. I think he'll stay on the ballot for a while at the very least.

But I thought the same of Kenny Lofton and he barely got a sniff.

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Carpenter won't get in, it'd be cool to see the Cardinals retire his number though.. maybe

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Carpenter won't get in, it'd be cool to see the Cardinals retire his number though.. maybe
I think the Cards should, he was a huge part in 2 world series wins but you never know. I also still think they should retire Willie McGee's number

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wonder how light his slap on the wrist will be.

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He's Todd Helton. He doesn't have to open his eyes. Who are you? The police?

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wonder how inflated his bac was.

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wonder how inflated his bac was.
Depends if it was at Coors Field or not. All stats are inflated there!

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I said boarder line. I think he'll stay on the ballot for a while at the very least.

But I thought the same of Kenny Lofton and he barely got a sniff.
It's border. And he's not. When he was healthy, he was a great pitcher. The problem is he just wasn't healthy very often and because of that he didn't pitch enough innings at an elite level. Not much else to say.

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I think the Cards should, he was a huge part in 2 world series wins but you never know. I also still think they should retire Willie McGee's number
He also has the most post season wins in franchise history

Yeah, I agree.. don't get why they haven't retired McGee's number.. I mean no one's gonna wear #51 again anyways.. just retire it

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you can break carpenter up into three pieces of his career.

there's four years in toronto, his age 23-26 seasons, where he went for a 4.75 era in 716 innings and an era+ of 100. exactly league average. he then pitched 73 innings and tore his labrum in 2002 and missed all of 2003. he signed with the cardinals and had a really, really good stretch from 2004-06, going for a 3.10 era in 645 innings of 139 era+ ball. really, really good. then bone spurs and tj put him out for all but 21 innings in 2007 and 2008. he came back with a 3.02 era in 665 innings of 128 era+.

he's a really good pitcher but there are gaps of time in his career where he was hurt and that hurts his case. he's one of the better postseason pitchers of his time, which is great, but i don't think he has much of a case. he's only thrown 2219 innings, which is more than hall of famers gossage, fingers and sutter to name a few, but they were mostly relief pitchers (gossage and fingers actually started the exact same number of games: 37) and there are a few names in there who i would have to research more to see why they're in (candy cummings, i probably shouldn't google that name at work).

i can't see how carpenter would get in.
I love Carpenter to death and knew the Jays would rue the day they gave up on him, but I agree, just not enough of a body of work to get in. For the record, I do not support Schilling's candidacy either (who I think should be ahead of Carpenter). I would much rather see somebody like Carpenter in the hall, somebody who truly dominated (albeit briefly) than somebody like Morris who never dominated and just simply hung around for a long time.

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