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12-15-2012, 01:42 PM
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JHR Top 30 Skaters (December)

Hey guys, just finished these. There's bound to be some disagreements but I'll try to justify anything you guys think needs it. Enjoy.

JHR Top 30 for December

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12-15-2012, 01:49 PM
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Interesting list

waiting for the first "lol @ Barkov over Jones" post

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lol @ Barkov over Jones



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It's not that crazy. Barkov is a first overall type talent. Yes Jones is too but right now I can see all three being pretty interchangeable.

As for the list other than zadorov and lehkonen being too high I don't see much wrong with it.

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Looks fine to me. I might have bumped up Morrissey a bit higher, but that's it. Talentwise Nichushkin definitely deserves his spot, if he falls out of the top-10 he would be a steal, a la Kuznetsov/Tarasenko.

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How will continued scoring alleviate concerns of high risk play?

Fine list, by the write up about Morissey didn't make sense to me.

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12-15-2012, 02:43 PM
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lol @ Barkov over Jones



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lol @ homing NA players over european ones

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Nice list, I agree with barkov at 2 and I like how high lehkonen is. No big disagreements from me.

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How will continued scoring alleviate concerns of high risk play?

Fine list, by the write up about Morissey didn't make sense to me.
When you take risks like Morrissey does and don't contribute offensively, there is little validation for the way he plays.

If Morrissey can put up big numbers with his risky style of play, it's easier to validate some of his more questionable decisions on the ice.

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12-15-2012, 02:51 PM
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lol @ homing NA players over european ones
lol @ you getting suckered.

Like the list. Always really appreciate when there's little blurbs to help explain ranking choices and rationale. Great job man.

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Solid list and nice to see Barkov listed at #2. Imo the top 3 is a toss up between these guys (perhaps add drouin too) and the order is likely defined by team needs, although it would be difficult to see Barkov as #1 with equally talented NA prospects.

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How comparable are Zadorov and Ristolainen?

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I love 2013 mock drafts. Littered with steals because of the depth

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Good list. Love Barkov over Jones. Wouldnt be surprised to see Drouin surpass him too.

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How comparable are Zadorov and Ristolainen?
Zadorov is bigger and more physical, but not quite as offensive minded. Both move extremely well for big men. Ristolainen I'd say is more polished, but I like really like Zadorov's tool kit.

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I love 2013 mock drafts. Littered with steals because of the depth
Agreed. 2013 looks absolutely insane - 2003 calibre even?

There are so many guys ranked in the middle of the 1st round this year that would've been top 10 picks easily in 2012 in my opinion.

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I thought Duclair would be higher.

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Not bad. I would have Fucale in the top 30. I don't think the drop of Lazar or Morrissey is justified based on quiet offensive months. Both guys have the skills to be offensive pros and that's what scouting/projecting should be about...projecting.

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Not bad. I would have Fucale in the top 30. I don't think the drop of Lazar or Morrissey is justified based on quiet offensive months. Both guys have the skills to be offensive pros and that's what scouting/projecting should be about...projecting.
I'm doing strictly skaters here, so that's why there's no Fucale.

I've always been big on consistency and admittedly can be hard on these young kids who may struggle with it, but when Lazar and Morrissey dry up as bad as they did for a month, while the players around them in the rankings continue to maintain/improve their play, it's hard to justify them not slipping a little bit.

Max Domi, for example, has remained consistent all season long on top of having a huge November while Morrissey and Lazar struggled, so it's hard not to bump him up over those two for now. Same with Adam Erne.

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I'm doing strictly skaters here, so that's why there's no Fucale.

I've always been big on consistency and admittedly can be hard on these young kids who may struggle with it, but when Lazar and Morrissey dry up as bad as they did for a month, while the players around them in the rankings continue to maintain/improve their play, it's hard to justify them not slipping a little bit.

Max Domi, for example, has remained consistent all season long on top of having a huge November while Morrissey and Lazar struggled, so it's hard not to bump him up over those two for now. Same with Adam Erne.
Speaking of consistency, you have Carrier in your top 30. He's had about 3 points in 12 games or something really bad. I've been tracking this kid for 3 seasons and it took until this season for people to actually notice him, but now I question people on if they actually watch him or react to big numbers (which haven't moved much lately)

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Speaking of consistency, you have Carrier in your top 30. He's had about 3 points in 12 games or something really bad. I've been tracking this kid for 3 seasons and it took until this season for people to actually notice him, but now I question people on if they actually watch him or react to big numbers (which haven't moved much lately)
I saw Carrier for the first time in the playoffs last year and have watched him twice this year, admittedly not as much as some of the others in the top 30, but from what I saw, I think he's got natural offensive instincts and speed to burn coming off the wing. Thick kid with a lower center of gravity too.

Having said that, in terms of mid-late round QMJHL guys, I think he's not quite on the level of Gauthier, Mantha and Duclair. Duclair, in particular - man, Im liking this kid more and more.

I submitted this ranking a week ago and in the meantime have caught the Remparts twice and probably would've had Duclair up a couple spots, at least ahead of Mantha had I had those viewings prior.

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When you take risks like Morrissey does and don't contribute offensively, there is little validation for the way he plays.

If Morrissey can put up big numbers with his risky style of play, it's easier to validate some of his more questionable decisions on the ice.
The most important thing is whether or not he's creating chances. I haven't seen much of Morrissey, but if he's creating chances, he should continue playing the way he does, regardless of whether the pucks finding the back of the net. The more chances created, the more likely you are to score.

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Pretty good list. I'm not sure about Hagg that high, but no real gripe otherwise.

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Pretty good list. I'm not sure about Hagg that high, but no real gripe otherwise.
I can't seem to get Hagg's performance at the Ivan Hlinka out of my head. I've got him ranked higher than any other major publication I think. Another player with not a whole lot of numbers to point to, but when you watch him play, you can tell he thinks the game better than the other kids on the ice.

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Not bad. I would have Fucale in the top 30. I don't think the drop of Lazar or Morrissey is justified based on quiet offensive months. Both guys have the skills to be offensive pros and that's what scouting/projecting should be about...projecting.
I tend to agree but at some point Lazar and his skillset has to translate into actual production to warrant a higher spot IMO.

Teams will have no doubt that he is a solid NHL type but his ceiling remains the question the longer his production is lower than expected.

When will his breakout be?

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