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01-03-2013, 07:35 AM
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Very surprised by that result, but then I realize I did choose Gibson (sorry) and no Canadians....

Re: Gibson.....yes, I was robbed again!


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mzappa if you lose by 4pts or less, I really feel for you buddy. Gibson should have had the SO here, prevented from it by the bad call by the officials. Combine that with the 3rd period resting against Germany, just ouch. He should have 3 SO's.

ps241 has climbed out of the basement, at least for now...we'll see how the RUS-SWE game goes...

EDIT: Two goals and an assist for Dano in Slovakia's 5-3 win over Latvia (to clinch that they won't get relegated) extends my lead...

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Here's the Jan 3rd standings. One game left for every team, getting down the wire. Still probably 5 teams with a chance to win.



RankStandingsGOALSASSISTSWINSSOPOOL POINTS
1Holden Caulfield16233045
2Hero of Canton17231042
3mzappa10174137
4Sweech10260036
5Jets12154035
6Hank Chinaski10190029
6Canadian Airlines11123029
8Flying High7142025
8ps24115100025
10Hammer Slammer3103122

3 pt game from Dano helps me reclaim the lead. mzappa continues to tear up the standings, on the back of Gibson mostly, who has the most pool pts of any player now and could/should have 4 more . Hero of Canton, mzappa, Sweech and Jets and I are probably the contenders left, it's a lot of ground to cover for the rest of everybody.

The key to the pool it appears...avoid Canada. Hero of Canton, mzappa and I are the only people with no Canadians, and are 1, 2, and 3.

In other news ps241 has moved into tie for 8th. Steadily climbing back

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01-03-2013, 10:13 AM
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I didn't avoid Canadians on purpose, honest!

Can I launch an appeal to the IIHF to re-install 4 more points for Gibson?



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Here's the Jan 3rd standings. One game left for every team, getting down the wire. Still probably 5 teams with a chance to win.



RankStandingsGOALSASSISTSWINSSOPOOL POINTS
1Holden Caulfield16233045
2Hero of Canton17231042
3mzappa10174137
4Sweech10260036
5Jets12154035
6Hank Chinaski10190029
6Canadian Airlines11123029
8Flying High7142025
8ps24115100025
10Hammer Slammer3103122

3 pt game from Dano helps me reclaim the lead. mzappa continues to tear up the standings, on the back of Gibson mostly, who has the most pool pts of any player now and could/should have 4 more . Hero of Canton, mzappa, Sweech and Jets and I are probably the contenders left, it's a lot of ground to cover for the rest of everybody.

The key to the pool it appears...avoid Canada. Hero of Canton, mzappa and I are the only people with no Canadians, and are 1, 2, and 3.

In other news ps241 has moved into tie for 8th. Steadily climbing back

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01-03-2013, 10:14 AM
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mzappa, i was wrong with my prediction that you would win but you made a hell of a move to the top, you still have a slight chance but I think Holden is fudging the stats so you won't win

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01-03-2013, 10:18 AM
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Here's the Jan 3rd standings. One game left for every team, getting down the wire. Still probably 5 teams with a chance to win.



RankStandingsGOALSASSISTSWINSSOPOOL POINTS
1Holden Caulfield16233045
2Hero of Canton17231042
3mzappa10174137
4Sweech10260036
5Jets12154035
6Hank Chinaski10190029
6Canadian Airlines11123029
8Flying High7142025
8ps24115100025
10Hammer Slammer3103122

3 pt game from Dano helps me reclaim the lead. mzappa continues to tear up the standings, on the back of Gibson mostly, who has the most pool pts of any player now and could/should have 4 more . Hero of Canton, mzappa, Sweech and Jets and I are probably the contenders left, it's a lot of ground to cover for the rest of everybody.

The key to the pool it appears...avoid Canada. Hero of Canton, mzappa and I are the only people with no Canadians, and are 1, 2, and 3.

In other news ps241 has moved into tie for 8th. Steadily climbing back
Great pool and lots of fun. I am just happy to stay with the pack and not be picked off by a thinning of the heard Darwin type event!! would have been a bit happier if my meteoric rise wasn't on the back of 5 USA points today.

edit: full disclosure moment, You know you are in over your head when you have to do a Google search to figure out who a player was on draft day (Marko Dano) that is outscoring all but 1 player on my team. HA HA!!!!


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We were all there. I had a few moments researching Swiss D-men I never heard of. That sure worked out for me

EDIT - Oli Maata, I will NEVER forgive you for the big goose egg in points!!!!


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Great pool and lots of fun. I am just happy to stay with the pack and not be picked off by a thinning of the heard Darwin type event!! would have been a bit happier if my meteoric rise wasn't on the back of 5 USA points today.

edit: full disclosure moment, You know you are in over your head when you have to do a Google search to figure out who a player was on draft day (Marko Dano) that is outscoring all but 1 player on my team. HA HA!!!!

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01-03-2013, 10:44 AM
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You guys thought you had the last places wrapped up, but you couldn't compete with my terrible team.

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haha yeah ps241, by the last little while I think we were all googling players...honestly I had never heard of Sven Andrighetto before, and he is having one hell of a tourney...but that's far from the only one, on my team I had never heard of Pavelka (which didn't work out I guess), but yeah there was plenty of players I had never heard of, and past the first 3-4 rounds I was doing lots of research Not Dano though, I've been talking him up for months


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01-03-2013, 11:12 AM
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You guys thought you had the last places wrapped up, but you couldn't compete with my terrible team.
I think I still have it Hammer......I will not go up without a fight!!!

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haha yeah ps241, by the last little while I think we were all googling players...honestly I had never heard of Sven Andrighetto before, and he is having one hell of a tourney...but that's far from the only one, on my team I had never heard of Pavelka (which didn't work out I guess), but yeah there was plenty of players I had never heard of, and past the first 3-4 rounds I was doing lots of research Not Dano though, I've been talking him up for months
My Google-fu was not strong enough in this tournament.

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My Google-fu was not strong enough in this tournament.


I'll be honest right now. After the draft I had you pegged last. Sorry bro. Both Jenner and Faksa were going to play 3rd line minutes (although you got unlikely with the Jenner suspension for the high scoring German and Slovak games), Hartman and de la Rose were unlikely to see many minutes, and I honestly had not heard of Mironov (plus I had no idea who was going to play many minutes of the Russian blueline). Loved the Vasilevski and Sergeyev picks where you got them, and the Ouellet/Ritchie picks I thought were solid(although I don't care much for Ritchie), but the rest...

Sorry, just my opinion...not that you picked bad players, just not the right mix for a pool like this...

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Much respect and thanks!

One day when I have time (like February if there is no NHL season), I'll do a forensic mathematical analysis of these so-called pool "numbers"........

(INSERT SUPER-SKEPTICAL LOOKING EMOTICON HERE!!)


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mzappa, i was wrong with my prediction that you would win but you made a hell of a move to the top, you still have a slight chance but I think Holden is fudging the stats so you won't win

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I'll be honest right now. After the draft I had you pegged last. Sorry bro. Both Jenner and Faksa were going to play 3rd line minutes (although you got unlikely with the Jenner suspension for the high scoring German and Slovak games), Hartman and de la Rose were unlikely to see many minutes, and I honestly had not heard of Mironov (plus I had no idea who was going to play many minutes of the Russian blueline). Loved the Vasilevski and Sergeyev picks where you got them, and the Ouellet/Ritchie picks I thought were solid(although I don't care much for Ritchie), but the rest...

Sorry, just my opinion...not that you picked bad players, just not the right mix for a pool like this...
No worries, I knew I'd be terrible. Mostly a crapshoot on my part.

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My Canadian players were massive disappointments.

I was considering going with Arvidsson over Lipsbergs or Sedlak. Really wish I had gone with him.

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Taking Binnington in the 3rd round was a huge blunder for me. My rationale was that Subban would probably falter, and even if he didn't, Binnington would probably good for a gimme win. What a bust of a pick. Would've been sweet to pick up Miller or Granlund...

MacKinnon and Harrington were also huge disappointments for me.

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Biggest disappointment on my team was Reinhart. He's so amazing to watch with the Oil Kings, I figured he was a sure bet for a goal or two and a few assists.

Gotta admit though, I'm very, very pleased with Niklas Lundstrom. I took a major gamble taking him so early with the uncertainty in net for Sweden. Somehow, I ended up with a goalie who took the reins and led his team to the gold medal game. I don't think anybody was expecting Sweden to do so well.

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I was considering going with Arvidsson over Lipsbergs or Sedlak. Really wish I had gone with him.
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Taking Binnington in the 3rd round was a huge blunder for me. My rationale was that Subban would probably falter, and even if he didn't, Binnington would probably good for a gimme win. What a bust of a pick. Would've been sweet to pick up Miller or Granlund...

MacKinnon and Harrington were also huge disappointments for me.
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Biggest disappointment on my team was Reinhart. He's so amazing to watch with the Oil Kings, I figured he was a sure bet for a goal or two and a few assists.

Gotta admit though, I'm very, very pleased with Niklas Lundstrom. I took a major gamble taking him so early with the uncertainty in net for Sweden. Somehow, I ended up with a goalie who took the reins and led his team to the gold medal game. I don't think anybody was expecting Sweden to do so well.
my biggest disappointment is my general manager

To your point Hammer I knew I was in over my head "this year" and if I am to finish last it will be a very accurate reflection of my knowledge of the prospects compared to my fellow draft mates. Here's the golden part though........I have learned more about prospects and players by being in this draft than I have ever known in the past. Sometimes it’s fun just to jump in and figure it out as you go (ready fire aim). The first year can be the toughest but it’s usually the most fun as well.

Hammer I am still gunning for you because I want the worst to first title next year (says the Monty Python black knight)

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Taking Binnington in the 3rd round was a huge blunder for me. My rationale was that Subban would probably falter, and even if he didn't, Binnington would probably good for a gimme win. What a bust of a pick. Would've been sweet to pick up Miller or Granlund...

MacKinnon and Harrington were also huge disappointments for me.
I thought Binnington would steal the starter role as well, or at least get wins in basically gimme games versus Germany and Slovakia, can't remember the last time a Canadian team rode one goalie...not too mention how much better he looked last game. MacKinnon is another Spott just hated for no reason, he should have been given more of a chance, people are raving about Drouin, but MacKinnon is the better player...

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Biggest disappointment on my team was Reinhart. He's so amazing to watch with the Oil Kings, I figured he was a sure bet for a goal or two and a few assists.

Gotta admit though, I'm very, very pleased with Niklas Lundstrom. I took a major gamble taking him so early with the uncertainty in net for Sweden. Somehow, I ended up with a goalie who took the reins and led his team to the gold medal game. I don't think anybody was expecting Sweden to do so well.
Well Lundstrom was the 3rd last goalie taken. It was a toss up for me between Bartosak and Lundstrom, I took Bartosak partly since I knew Hero of Canton was targetting Lundstrom 3 picks after mine (didn't want to take advantage of a list).

Reinhart was always going to be the defensive member of the 3rd pairing, didn't think he would contribute offensively. Not with Ouellet, Reilly, Murphy, Hamilton all on team.

Anyways, people with Finns are in for a nice boost (mzappa you have a real chance). They are up 7-3 on Slovakia after 2 right now.

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Since we're 'picking our worst picks'....Ollii Maata D, FINLAND. All the previews and reports I read had him on the first D line and putting up PP points etc. How he hasn't got one point.....

And of course, I'd like to re-re-re-visit the fact John Gibson should have given me 4 more points for: 1) a shutout that wasn't awarded under ridiculous IIHF rules vs Germany, and 2) another shutout denied by a Canadian goal that happened after a whistle.


just sayin', i'm not bitter or anything!


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Since we're 'picking our worst picks'....Ollii Maata D, FINLAND. All the previews and reports I read had him on the first D line and putting up PP points etc. How he hasn't got one point.....

And of course, I'd like to re-re-re-visit the fact John Gibson should have given me 4 more points for: 1) a shutout that wasn't awarded under ridiculous IIHF rules vs Germany, and 2) another shutout denied by a Canadian goal that happened after a whistle.


just sayin', i'm not bitter or anything!

Maata has 2 assists today...and now a goal...****

Actually it's the same in the NHL, if a goalie does not play the whole game he does not get credit for the SO...if the NHL awarded it, I would likely give it to you, since I have been following other NHL standards like giving the goalies wins for SO wins and not counting SO winners as goals. But those things are just logical whereas the SO thing is a little more gray than that...

Honestly, I had forgotten about IIHF rules with regards to SO winners and Goalie wins, and had not considered the possibility of a goalie not playing the whole game in an SO...I'll make sure the rules are clearer next year...

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My man Hyka (does that name not sound like the noise you make when you clear your throat to spit?) with 3 points for the Czech today

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Since we're 'picking our worst picks'....Ollii Maata D, FINLAND. All the previews and reports I read had him on the first D line and putting up PP points etc. How he hasn't got one point.....

And of course, I'd like to re-re-re-visit the fact John Gibson should have given me 4 more points for: 1) a shutout that wasn't awarded under ridiculous IIHF rules vs Germany, and 2) another shutout denied by a Canadian goal that happened after a whistle.


just sayin', i'm not bitter or anything!

I really liked what I saw of Maata in the memorial cup last year especially as the games became more important. I think he is a very smooth, solid, defensive prospect. If we had drafted a bit later I would have had no problem with the Jets selecting him.

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Holy hell, I have EIGHT points from Finland today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1




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Maata has 2 assists today...and now a goal...****

Actually it's the same in the NHL, if a goalie does not play the whole game he does not get credit for the SO...if the NHL awarded it, I would likely give it to you, since I have been following other NHL standards like giving the goalies wins for SO wins and not counting SO winners as goals. But those things are just logical whereas the SO thing is a little more gray than that...

Honestly, I had forgotten about IIHF rules with regards to SO winners and Goalie wins, and had not considered the possibility of a goalie not playing the whole game in an SO...I'll make sure the rules are clearer next year...

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Totally forgot about the game today, looks like Armia and Salomaki combined for 7 points! Woohoo!

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I thought Binnington would steal the starter role as well, or at least get wins in basically gimme games versus Germany and Slovakia, can't remember the last time a Canadian team rode one goalie...not too mention how much better he looked last game.
And that's just it (the bolded). There was Pogge in 2006 and Price in 2007, but those were absolutely dominant goaltending performances from start to finish. Every year since then, they've given both tenders a chance. When I heard Subban would start vs. Germany, I thought for sure Binnington would start vs. Slovakia, and that they'd ride the hot goalie from that point onward.

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Here's today's standings following Finlands 11 goals...



RankStandingsGOALSASSISTSWINSSOPOOL POINTS
1Holden Caulfield17284053
2Hero of Canton20261048
2mzappa14244148
4Hank Chinaski16230039
5Sweech12260038
6Jets12154035
7Canadian Airlines11153032
8Flying High7153028
8ps24116120028
10Hammer Slammer4103122


Of note, would be games remaining, which why I am worried. Hero has Yarullin, Kucherov and they may even start Makarov...of course mzappa has Gibson, you could easily put up 4pts, then just needs a pity point somewhere else. It'll be an interesting final day.

Holden - 3
Hero - 5
mzappa - 4
Hank - 6
Sweech - 6
Jets - 10
Cdn Air - 6
Flying - 7
ps241 - 7
Hammer - 8

Also, I am going to do a full review later on in the day. It's possible an error here or there snuck in during updates, so I will take the official IIHF scoring check everything. A clarification on rules, I am following IIHF conventions with two exceptions, since they make no sense to me. 1) SO winners do not count as goals. 2)Goalies who win in a SO do get the win.

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