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12-16-2012, 11:22 AM
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12-16-2012, 11:22 AM
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Jordan "Unsustainable" Eberle thumbs his nose at your futile math.

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i dont see why 17 to 19% would be unsustainable...

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12-16-2012, 11:29 AM
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i dont see why 17 to 19% would be unsustainable...
it is, people just have this weird hatred for everything eberle does.

he gets easy minutes, he gets lucky with his shots, he gets to play with good players, blah blah blah

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12-16-2012, 11:31 AM
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i dont see why 17 to 19% would be unsustainable...
Go look up how many players have career averages between 17-19%

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12-16-2012, 11:36 AM
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Stamkos and Eberle are both guys that pick their spots relative to guys like Ovi and Landeskog who throw a lot of pucks at the net and therefore will always have above average shooting %s.

That said, both of their percentages are unsustainable. They'll tail off a bit and people will make ridiculous threads about Stamkos being past his prime in a few seasons just like with Ovi.

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12-16-2012, 11:40 AM
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Stamkos is a better goalscorer, so yes.

Eberle has had some great luck. It's not going to last.
I agree. With Stamkos, or any player you yourself personally are a fan of, its skill.

For Eberle, or any player you yourself personally aren't a fan of, its luck.


I mean sure, lets forget that Eberle is known for clutch goal scoring, the hes known for having a hockey IQ that's off the charts, and has shown everywhere hes played in his hockey career of only taking good shots and not being a high volume shoot whenever you have the puck player.


Nah. You're right, its purely luck. To hell with stats and facts.

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it is, people just have this weird hatred for everything eberle does.

he gets easy minutes, he gets lucky with his shots, he gets to play with good players, blah blah blah
Personally, I think that high of a shooting % is unsustainable, I'm confident in that. Does that mean Eberle will become a worse player, or put up less points? No. He is a skilled player and will adjust. The 28% in the AHL is almost purely because he is one of the best players in the AHL playing with 3 of the other best players in the AHL.


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12-16-2012, 11:44 AM
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Go look up how many players have career averages between 17-19%
Most will probably be players who think before they shoot the puck, like Eberle.

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12-16-2012, 11:53 AM
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Go look up how many players have career averages between 17-19%
well i mean, he did have 19 last season... its not really a stretch to see him maintaining a 17-19 average...

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12-16-2012, 11:57 AM
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The last few years has seen the average shooting percentage in the NHL under 10%.

Last year for players above 20 goals, the top 5 shooting percentages were :
Curtis Glencross with 23.6% with 26 goals
Steven Stamkos with 19.8% with 60 goals
Jiri Hudler with 19.7% with 25 goals
Jordan Eberle with 18.9% with 34 goals
David Perron with 18.4% with 21 goals

While he may have had a high shooting percentage last year, it's unlikely that he sustains that pace. 12-15% is more likely
on another note, holy crap is stamkos good

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12-16-2012, 12:00 PM
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well i mean, he did have 19 last season... its not really a stretch to see him maintaining a 17-19 average...


Credit goes to an Oilers blog coppernblue.com for the chart.

Now I don't think he'll just fall of the charts, but the odds are heavily against him to sustain that rate for his career.

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12-16-2012, 12:02 PM
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Credit goes to an Oilers blog coppernblue.com for the chart.

Now I don't think he'll just fall of the charts, but the odds are heavily against him to sustain that rate for his career.
yeah youre right

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12-16-2012, 12:46 PM
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Stamkos is a better goalscorer, so yes.

Eberle has had some great luck. It's not going to last.
Sarcasm? I'm not sure how anyone that actually watches the games could think it's luck...

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12-16-2012, 12:47 PM
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Eberle's shooting percentage is unsustainable but it's not going to drop to the league average (as I have seen people assume when calculating how many goals he was "lucky" to score).

He's an ELITE finisher in front of the net. I'd say top 5 in the league. Add to that the fact that he rarely shoots (look at the low volume of shots he had) and it explains why he has a high shooting %. He isn't a shoot-first player

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12-16-2012, 01:05 PM
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I didn't see every game of Eberle. Where were most of his goals/shots coming from? Was it an Andrew Brunette situation where he was in close for just about everything?

Eberle's shooting percentage could go down, up, or stay the same depending on how his situation compares to these for Huder. Will Edmonton split up the Big 4 and make it 2 and 2, with Gagner centering Hall and Yak while RNH centers Eberle and Hemsky? Do they stack Hall/RNH/Eberle? Does Eberle get bumped by Yak to the Hemsky/Gagner line?
Eberle can seriously score from everywhere. He's an elite finisher in front of the net, he has an extremely accurate wrist shot and great positioning. He also loves to dangle and make sure he has a great angle/opportunity to score before shooting the puck.

His goal at 3:02 in this video really demonstrates why he has such a high sh%... So much patience.


I should also mention that he's been playing with (likely) career AHLers in Arcobello and Hamilton these last few games (including the one where he scored 4 goals on 4 shots last night) so the "playing with good players helps his %" argument doesn't really hold water.


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12-16-2012, 01:07 PM
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Eberle's response was that it's because he doesn't waste shots. Unless he changes his mind and starts shooting from anywhere, he'll probably always be above average.

He's smart and skilled. If he doesn't feel like the shot is there he doesn't take it anyway, he tries to set up a play instead.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - some hockey guy.

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on another note, holy crap is stamkos good
And the best part is he's taking as many shots as Kovalchuk. Stamkos is a pure goal scorer. Eberle isn't

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He might drop a little, but it's not completely unsustainable. He's got one of the better shots in the NHL playing against mostly AHL quality goalies

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stamkos also shoots the puck at almost double the rate as eberle to.

eberle with his shooting stats, seems to be just like thornton when it comes to shooting the puck.

thornton over his career put up 15+ shooting % on a regular basis, and that is mainly for a 20 goal scorer.

thornton over his career is an odd breed, years where he shoots more he scores less, but when he shoots less he scores more.

i see the same kind of stuff happening with eberle.
180 =/= half of 250.

To say Eberle is in the same realm of scoring as Stamoks is insane.

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I agree that 19% is high but I don't understand why he has to fall to 10-12%. Eberle is the definition of a sniper. His wrist shot is deadly and he's a very smart player.

When Eberle shoots, he usually scores. That's just how it's always been.

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12-16-2012, 01:12 PM
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Who cares what his S% is?

The only things S% tells you are:
a) The player is a good goalscorer. (Which is likely common knowledge)
b) The player generally shoots within close proximity to the net.

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Ilya Kovalchuk: 14.3% career, high 16.1% // low 9.0%
Alexander Ovechkin: 12.0% career, high 14.6% // low 8.7%
Jaromir Jagr: 14.0% career, high 20.1% // low 9.3%
Teemu Selanne: 15.3% career, high 22.6% // low 8.8%
Jarome Iginla: 13.3% career, high 16.7% // low 8.4%
Daniel Sedin: 12.6% career, high 15.7% // low 7.7%
Rick Nash: 12.7% career, high 18.2% // low 9.8%
Marty St. Louis: 13.3% career, high 17.9% // low 4.1%
Marion Hossa: 12.8% career, high 19.7% // low 8.2%

A career 15% for Eberle isn't mathematically impossible, but I think 13-14% is more likely.

Some people in this thread seem to think he's going to have career years every season. Eventually he's just plain going to have a bad year, everyone does. H

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Eberle can seriously score from everywhere. He's an elite finisher in front of the net, he has an extremely accurate wrist shot and great positioning. He also loves to dangle and make sure he has a great angle/opportunity to score before shooting the puck.

His goal at 3:02 in this video really demonstrates why he has such a high sh%... So much patience.


I should also mention that he's been playing with (likely) career AHLers in Arcobello and Hamilton these last few games (including the one where he scored 4 goals on 4 shots last night) so the "playing with good players helps his %" argument doesn't really hold water.
I normally don't like it when people use highlight videos to argue a point but this one works very well. If you watch the whole thing, you'll see many instances of things he is elite at which can definitely explain the high SH%.

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"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - some hockey guy.
Yea...but your teammates can score a high % of the shots you don't take...

I'd rather have Eberle get a more assists and have a higher SH% than have him score more individual goals at the cost of team goals.

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